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Posted on 10/24/2014 8:52:18 AM PDT by Gamecock
Gamecock,
That’s the point. Luther (and following him, Bunyan) have it backwards.
If you are in Rome (Babylon), you need to cross the river to go to the Vatican.
Luther, as often, had Catholic company and his animosity was not novel, and thus your duplicity is inexcusable.
• The crucifiers of Christ ought to be held in continual subjection.(Pope Innocent III, “Epistle to the Hierarchy of France,” July 15, 1205)
• It would be licit, according to custom, to hold the Jews in perpetual servitude because of their crime. (St. Thomas Aquinas, “De Regimine Judaeorum”)
In The Popes Against the Jews : The Vatican's Role in the Rise of Modern Anti-Semitism, historian David Kertzer notes,
“the legislation enacted in the 1930s by the Nazis in their Nuremberg Laws and by the Italian Fascists with their racial laws—which stripped the Jews of their rights as citizens—was modeled on measures that the [Roman Catholic] Church itself had enforced for as long as it was in a position to do so” (9).
In 1466,
in festivities sponsored by Pope Paul II, Jews were made to race naked through the streets of the city. A particularly evocative later account describes them: “Races were run on each of the eight days of the Carnival by horses, asses and buffaloes, old men, lads, children, and Jews. Before they were to run, the Jews were richly fed, so as to make the race more difficult for them, and at the same time, more amusing for the spectators. They ran from the Arch of Domitian to the Church of St. Mark at the end of the Corso at full tilt, amid Rome’s taunting shrieks of encouragement and peals of laughter, while the Holy Father stood upon a richly ornamented balcony and laughed heartily. Two centuries later, these practices, now deemed indecorous and unbefitting the dignity of the Holy City, were stopped by Clement IX. In their place the Pope assessed a heavy tax on the Jews to help pay the costs of the city’s Carnival celebrations.
But various other Carnival rites continued. For many years the rabbis of the ghetto were forced to wear clownish outfits and march through the streets to the jeers of the crow, pelted by a variety of missiles. Such rites were not peculiar to Rome. In Pisa in the eighteenth century, for example, it was customary each year, as part of Carnival, for students to chase after the fattest Jew in the city, capture him, weigh him, and then make him give them his weight in sugar-coated almonds.
In 1779, Pius VI resurrected some of the Carnival rites that had been neglected in recent years. Most prominent among them was the feudal rite of homage, in which ghetto officials, made to wear special clothes, stood before an unruly mob in a crowded piazza, making an offering to Rome’s governors.
It was this practice that occasioned the formal plea from the ghetto to Pope Gregory XVI in 1836. The Jews argued that such rites should be abandoned, and cited previous popes who had ordered them halted. They asked that, in his mercy, the Pope now do the same. On November 5, the Pope met with his secretary of state to discuss the plea. A note on the secretary of state’s copy of the petition, along with his signature, records the Pope’s decision: “It is not opportune to make any innovation.” The annual rites continued.
“When all is said and done, the [Roman Catholic] Church’s claim of lack of responsibility for the kind of anti-Semitism that made the Holocaust possible comes down to this: The Roman Catholic Church never called for, or sanctioned, the mass murder of the Jews. Yes, the Jews should be stripped of their rights as equal citizens. Yes, they should be kept from contact with the rest of society. But Christian Charity and Christian theology forbade good Christians to round them up and murder them.”
See more in part 5 of a series (1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5, 6 .
Cum nimis absurdum was a papal bull issued by Pope Paul IV dated 14 July 1555. It takes its name from its first words:[1] "Since it is absurd and utterly inconvenient that the Jews, who through their own fault were condemned by God to eternal slavery..."
The bull revoked all the rights of the Jewish community and placed religious and economic restrictions on Jews in the Papal States, renewed anti-Jewish legislation and subjected Jews to various degradations and restrictions on their personal freedom.
The bull established the Roman Ghetto and required the Jews of Rome, which had existed as a community since before Christian times and numbered about 2,000 at the time, to live in it. The Ghetto was a walled quarter with three gates that were locked at night. Jews were also restricted to one synagogue per city. Under the bull, Jewish males were required to wear a pointed yellow hat, and Jewish females a yellow kerchief (see yellow badge). Jews were required to attend compulsory Catholic sermons on the Jewish shabbat.
The bull also subjected Jews to various other restrictions such as a prohibition on property ownership and practising medicine among Christians. Jews were allowed to practice only unskilled jobs, as rag men, secondhand dealers [2] or fish mongers. They could also be pawnbrokers.
Paul IV's successor, Pope Pius IV, enforced the creation of other ghettos in most Italian towns, and his successor, Pope Pius V, recommended them to other bordering states. The Papal States ceased to exist on 20 September 1870 when they were incorporated in the Kingdom of Italy, but the requirement that Jews live in the ghetto was only formally abolished by the Italian state in 1882. Though the Roman and other ghettos have now been abolished, the bull has never been revoked.
If RC want to invoke Luther and the Jews regarding his latter exasperated negativity, then they need to see to your own house. And Rome has been too partial toward the Muslims as regards the Promised land.
Meanwhile, though RCs imagine we look to Luther as a pope, evangelicals are the strongest supporters of the Jews, not simply or because of how they fit into a rapture expectation.
I would not equate being factual with "duplicity". He was a German monk of the Augustinian order. He was a Catholic trained monk. Accept that or not.
Correct and please forgive: I was actually meaning to affirm what you said, but my content in that post was copied from one i had previously sent to a RC who repeatably indicted Luther for his latter words against Jews, while ignoring those of popes and other Catholics.
The “your duplicity is inexcusable” applied to that poster but should not have been included in the documentation sent to you affirming that indeed Luther was Catholic trained.
We are in agreement.
If only Luther felt such love for his fellow man instead of exhorting them to exterminate them.
Guess what? Luther was a man and not much of one, either.
Post some of Luther’s anti-Semitic rantings and get back to me.
Feel the same at about the Inquisition as I do about the pig, Luther.
How about you?
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My point was that Luther was a POS.
Get back to me if you disagree.
Luther was a product of his time and place, and he reflected the teachings he’d absorbed as an Augustinian monk. The Roman Catholic Church of that era was thoroughly corrupt, even yourself as an ardent defender of your faith would have to admit this, the historical records are just too voluminous with even RC sources agreeing upon this assessment.
Was Martin Luther perfect, sinless, infallible? No, and no one has claimed that he was. He was a sinner, hellhound but for the grace and forgiveness of God, just as every human being ever born has been, including every one of your popes, as well as Mary.
Attack him all you want, and you’ll still have not refuted the Reformation. It was much larger than just Martin Luther. Even if it wasn’t, he’s not a Protestant pope. Difficult to grasp for our more carnal and ritualistic brothers and sisters in Christ as that apparently is, he was not.
I am not a Catholic.
Your gibberish in regards to Luther is excused, moral relativism.
If Hitler accepted Jesus in his heart, he would be a current resident of heaven under your definition. Would he still be a POS or would you afford him the same consideration?
Gibberish? You’re atheist then. I’ve not excused any wrong committed by anyone. Here’s a suggestion, Luther died centuries ago, and here you are apparently filled with poison on account of something he wrote. Find it within yourself to forgive him and let it go. That doesn’t mean you accept his writings that were antisemitic. That is wrong whether you forgive or whether you’re consumed with anger and bitterness. Is he in Heaven? I can’t say. He believed in confessing his sins and asking forgiveness of God.
Hitler was a uniquely vile and evil man to the point that I’d say he was demonic. His garbled rationale involved socialism, fascism, nationalism, Norse Paganism and other occult beliefs, wrapped in a vaguely Christian sounding disguise. He had no love for the state church of Germany, he coopted and perverted everything he could about it. He had no love for any Christian church despite being born Catholic.
Your ire is seriously misdirected.
Why do you hate someone so much? He has been dead for centuries. He helped change the world for the better.
The origin of this thread was praise for Luther. I explained why he is deserving of no one’s praise.
Jewish, not atheist.
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