9 Ways to Restore All Things in Christ

http://www.catholicgentleman.net ^ | October 24, 2014 | Joe Heschmeyer

[Iscool]

In fact I have a problem reading what Paul wrote because I see more works in his letters than I even want to think about, just depends on which scripture you read and how you interpret it.

Not really...We are to read ALL scriptures...We are not required to interpret scripture, we are to believe it...It's not a matter of interpretation, it's a matter of rightly dividing the word of truth...

Matthew 25:31 Jesus explains about the sheep and the goats and is all about works brought about by faith.

There is nothing in those verses about faith...It's all about works...

[Iscool]

In otherwords you pick and choose what you want to believe in the Bible and invent things that didn’t happen. The term mid-rash comes to mind.

Now that's rich...

[Syncro]

When you dig as deep as you have, you can't get out of the hole.

The 1st rule of holes is stop digging.

I could lower down Jacob's ladder for you.

But you would have to become a Christian to climb it.

[Syncro]

This incident and miracle was performed and recorded for a reason.

Jesus rebuked His mother.

That and his calling his disciples his mother and brothers pretty much seals the deal of Mary not being revered above Jesus as she is so often.

[metmom]

Not only did Mary know what her son could do, which was the reason she told him there was no more win [sic],

For all we know, she wanted Him to send someone to buy more wine.

There is nothing at all in the passage that even suggests that Mary knew how Jesus was going to deal with it.

she was the very first human the Holy Trinity was revealed too.

Wrong again.

And her changing her Son’s mind to work this miracle does or should teach us all of her importance in intercession.

More speculation and assumptions. She *changed* His mind about what? How He was going to deal with it? And where is that stated in the passage?

This incident and miracle was performed and recorded for a reason.

No doubt but I don't think it was so Catholicism could make up fantasy stories about Mary to support their doctrine

[metmom]

*snicker*

[ravenwolf]

When you dig as deep as you have, you can’t get out of the hole.
The 1st rule of holes is stop digging.

I could lower down Jacob’s ladder for you.

But you would have to become a Christian to climb it.

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I don`t know why you keep pestering me but if you don`t stop you might get slapped in the face with a blicket.

[ravenwolf]

We are not required to interpret scripture,

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We might not be required to interpret scripture, but there our about a hundred different arguments about what each one of them means.

Matthew 25:31 Jesus explains about the sheep and the goats and is all about works brought about by faith.>>>>>>

There is nothing in those verses about faith...It’s all about works...>>>>>>>

I am glad to see some one agrees with me that works do count, that is why i brought notice to it.

When i said
I see more works in his letters than I even want to think about,

i was not being serious.

[NKP_Vet]

“He would fit right in with many of the pompous judgmental arrogant catholics on this forum”

His wife sounds a lot like the most rabid Catholic-bashers on FR. Probably worse. That’s why he loves to bring her down to earth with quoting scripture to back up everything she puts down about Catholicism. My brother was an evangelical till he converted when he was almost 50. To say he knows scripture is an understatement.

[NKP_Vet]

“Jesus rebuked His mother”

You actually think that Jesus dishonored his mother, thus breaking the 5th Commandment. You have called
Jesus a sinner? To rebuke is to....

re·bukedre·buk·ing
Full Definition of REBUKE
transitive verb
1
a : to criticize sharply : reprimand
b : to serve as a rebuke to
2
: to turn back or keep down : check

[boatbums]

Not only did Mary know what her son could do, which was the reason she told him there was no more win, she was the very first human the Holy Trinity was revealed too.

Do you not know that all this is CONJECTURE, that there isn't anything that tells us these things "exactly" (as you asserted). Did you forget that Mary and Jesus' family thought he was crazy and they were afraid for His safety? Mark speaks about it here:

Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.” And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebul! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.” So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. In fact, no one can enter a strong man’s house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man’s house. Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”

He said this because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit.”

Then Jesus’ mother and brothers arrived. Standing outside, they sent someone in to call him. A crowd was sitting around him, and they told him, “Your mother and brothers are outside looking for you.”

“Who are my mother and my brothers?” he asked. Then he looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! Whoever does God’s will is my brother and sister and mother.” (Mark 3:20-35)

You see, THAT is something we can actually know about doctrines Christians are to follow, not those things people dream up or invent about how they would like it to be.

And her changing her Son’s mind to work this miracle does or should teach us all of her importance in intercession. This incident and miracle was performed and recorded for a reason.

That there is a prime example of dreaming up some doctrine based on woulda, coulda, or shoulda. NOT anything Jesus taught or passed onto His Apostles to teach. I'll stick to what God says and I know I'll be fine. It will always be what glorifies Almighty God and not a mere human.

[metmom]

We might not be required to interpret scripture, but there our about a hundred different arguments about what each one of them means.

*Hundreds* of different arguments about each verse in the Bible? Really?

Well, then, give us an example of one verse that has *hundreds* of differing opinions about its meaning. Pick one. Your favorite.

We can discuss that.

[metmom]

Rebuking is not disobeying or honoring.

On the contrary, if someone is wrong, the best thing to do for them, indeed, the thing we are required to do, is to rebuke them.

It’s an act of love to not let someone who is wrong continue in it.

Love demands not letting someone persist in error.

[NKP_Vet]

As for the wedding at Cana, Jesus’ concern was not to rebuke his Mother but to remind her that beginning his public ministry would begin his road to Calvary because in the Gospel of John Jesus’ use of the word hour (e.g., “My hour has not yet come” [John 2:4]) refers to the time of Christ’s passion, crucifixion, and death. What Christ is saying then is “Mother, if I do this miracle for you and for this couple, thus manifesting my identity as the Messiah, my Via Dolorosa [i.e., road to Calvary] will begin. Knowing that, do you really want me to do this?” In response, Mary tells the servants, “Do whatever he [Christ] tells you” (John 2:5).

[ravenwolf]

We might not be required to interpret scripture, but there our about a hundred different arguments about what each one of them means.

*Hundreds* of different arguments about each verse in the Bible? Really?

Well, then, give us an example of one verse that has *hundreds* of differing opinions about its meaning. Pick one. Your favorite.

We can discuss that.

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Ok, so I exaggerated a little, but so did YOU, I said about a hundred, you interpreted it as hundreds.

Do you want a better example than that?

[ravenwolf]

Rebuking is not disobeying or honoring.

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It appears that Jesus may have been Grieved by his mother using him as a magician but I don`t think it was a rebuke.

1 Timothy 5

5 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;

2 The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity.

3 Honour widows that are widows indeed.

[metmom]

What Christ is saying then is “Mother, if I do this miracle for you and for this couple, thus manifesting my identity as the Messiah, my Via Dolorosa [i.e., road to Calvary] will begin. Knowing that, do you really want me to do this?” In response, Mary tells the servants, “Do whatever he [Christ] tells you” (John 2:5).

Presumption, start to finish.

[metmom]

I didn’t think you could provide any.

[ravenwolf]

I didn’t think you could provide any.

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Fooled you didn’t i.

[NKP_Vet]

Your every utterance if a presumption. Now reply back and tell me one thing that the Catholic Church has ever done in 2,000 years that you agree with.