Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer
Would you condemn me for asking if you were a serial killer? Of course I will call you on it. You're planting seeds of untruth.
Matthias is definitely NOT an apostle!
They prayed and he ignored them, because it was none of their concern, so they ignored him, and drew lots.
It pays to read carefully!
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I said "to a great degree". A slight change in skin color isn't much compared to what would have had to happen after Noah.
Are you saying people recently became “squeamish” about the “historical” belief that supernatural fallen angels bred hybrids? You’re saying that the historical interpretation of Gen 6 is that those were fallen angels mating with daughters of men?
If Adam were a son of God in the sense we are discussing, he would have been immortal from the start.
Yes, he was a special creation of God, not by biological means, yet he was biological, and corruptible.
We, and Adam will be made incorruptible at the last trump.
“I’ve told you the principle, to rightly divide the word as we’re instructed to do:”
Well, that is not an answer to the specific question you were asked. If I asked you “how do you multiply two numbers” and you said “study math”, I would categorize it similarly as a non-answer.
“I guess that may not mean much to some but to me it means to think of the situation and use discernment to put the verses being studied in the proper context.”
What you state here is a subjective method, not an objective one. In order for it to be a sound method for interpreting Scripture, anyone should be able to apply it and achieve similar results.
“Of course there is a special way to understand God’s Word! It’s not meant for hypocritical Pharisees, scripture lawyers with evil intentions, or those who do not study to show themselves approved. Jesus himself said it is meant for only those that He wants to understand:”
Yes, yet we are all Christians here (save a few strays that wander into these threads), so we have no excuse for claiming some special method for understanding Scripture that others would not be able to apply. Christ may not have expected the Pharisees to understand mysteries, but He certainly expected His disciples to understand and be in agreement.
Hey, just reading what the bible says, and it says Adam was a son of God. Take your argument up with Luke.
“Would you condemn me for asking if you were a serial killer?”
Honestly, I would probably just laugh, because why would anyone ask that? It’s not like a serial killer would admit it.
I see what you are getting at, but still, I merely asked a question, to make sure I knew who I was dealing with. Some of the ideas you were expressing were identical to those espoused by people who also espouse the idea I asked you about, so I don’t see how that was an inappropriate question to ask. If I started saying that I believe that Jesus visited North America to preach to the Indians, I could not rightly get offended if people asked if I was a Mormon.
“A slight change in skin color isn’t much compared to what would have had to happen after Noah.”
Yes, but that’s only a superficial observation. I don’t think anyone has done any rigorous study on this, so we can’t quantify the effects of interbreeding. Without that, we can’t know how much of any changes we do observe are due to interbreeding, or might be due to environmental adaptation.
In other words, it’s a badly compromised example, since you can’t control for other experimental variables.
“Are you saying people recently became “squeamish” about the “historical” belief that supernatural fallen angels bred hybrids? You’re saying that the historical interpretation of Gen 6 is that those were fallen angels mating with daughters of men?”
Well, perhaps squeamishness is not the best way to characterize their motivations, but yes. That is the traditional interpretation, not an innovation.
I can't help you understand the Word, I'm not a pastor, just a discusser. You're going to have to take it up with the Holy Spirit and ask Him for discernment and understanding. I can plant a seed, that's all. I hope you come around.
What you state here is a subjective method, not an objective one. In order for it to be a sound method for interpreting Scripture, anyone should be able to apply it and achieve similar results.
Yep. It works for me. No unworkable theories from me.
Yes, yet we are all Christians here (save a few strays that wander into these threads), so we have no excuse for claiming some special method for understanding Scripture that others would not be able to apply. Christ may not have expected the Pharisees to understand mysteries, but He certainly expected His disciples to understand and be in agreement.
Well, let's look at who the Pharisees were. Paul was a Pharisee. What did Paul do at first? He held the coats for those that would kill a man of God, Stephen, to shut him up. So a Pharisee to me is someone who allows non-biblical traditions to be a stumblingblock to learning truth. Political correctness is certainly a huge stumblingblock and Satan's greatest weapon right now to keep people from understanding God's Word. God had to go to the extreme of striking Paul down to change his ways. There's a lot of Pharisees today that try to exercise that same power that Paul exercised, by playing games (maybe expressing false assumptions to plant seeds of untruth) to shut people up. Sound familiar?
Political correctness wipes out a large portion of the bible and makes those whose learning suffers from that to be easy prey for the antiChrist when he arrives.
I believe your intention was to plant seeds of untruth.
Well, according the rules of the religion forum, what you think my motivations were is not a fit topic for discussion on this thread.
A very unconvincing example. I can easily recognize people descended from non-European ancestors that have been here 400 years.
If it is the traditional interpretation of Gen 6, can you show me a paper from medieval times discussing it, or up to 1800 or so?
“I can easily recognize people descended from non-European ancestors that have been here 400 years.”
Which still does nothing to demonstrate what you were trying to demonstrate with this example, for reasons I have already explained (it’s an apples to oranges comparison, and you can’t control for other variables).
You went first with your false assumptions.
What was true for 2350BC to 1950BC should be true for 1614AD to 2014AD, and there is no evidence that our temperate climate has changed anyone to a great degree who descend from tropical climates.
Luke was only making the point that Adam was created, not born of woman.
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You've mentioned this "7000" figure several times on this thread. I'm curious where you get this from.
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