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Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?
Crisis Magazine ^ | November 24, 2014 | DENNIS BONNETTE

Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer

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To: Partisan Gunslinger; CatherineofAragon

>> “If it’s not obvious to you, then nothing would be clear to you.” <<

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If ever there was a childish response, that one wins the trophy.

Enjoy your racism and false prophecy!

Read 1John some time, and learn why Matthew 7:23 is there.

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801 posted on 11/29/2014 4:12:44 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; CatherineofAragon; redleghunter
Arnold was not popular with the rest of the Christian world just as I am not popular here with you all. That's okay, we still win in the end.

Curious...that's the SAME defense given by every founder of heretical cults since heretical cults started forming. "The rest of the Christians don't like us or what we preach so that means we MUST be right. Jesus said we would suffer persecution and we are so we must be the REAL deal.". That really ISN'T a good indicator.

Rather than any cult being "the winner" in the end, we know that it is Jesus Christ who will win in the end and not a tiny, set-apart group that imagines they alone know the real truth.

Relax, you aren't being persecuted, nobody is coming for you to burn you at the stake. This is a forum where people can freely discuss what they believe and why they believe it. Don't be surprised if your novel doctrines are challenged WITH the only sure and authoritative resource we ALL have - the sacred and Divinely-inspired Scriptures. Being defensive and obstinate because of pride is not the way to learn what is truth. Instead of merely mouthing what some guy told you is true, ask the Holy Spirit to illuminate God's word to your heart - all of it - study, meditate and wait for the Lord to reveal His truth to you. He will NOT let you down.

802 posted on 11/29/2014 4:55:14 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

You didn’t answer the subject. If the Israelites are not Jews/Hebrews then who are they?

The Brits?


803 posted on 11/29/2014 7:42:19 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: FourtySeven

There’s no “fighting amongst” going on here. We are addressing error if you read the posts. Or do you agree Eve had sex with the serpent in the Garden.


804 posted on 11/29/2014 7:45:09 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

47 is Roman Catholic. So you have something in commom?


805 posted on 11/29/2014 7:45:51 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

Where are the 7000 in Revelation? OT prophecies? Teachings of Christ?

One verse out of context does not make an exegesis.


806 posted on 11/29/2014 8:00:19 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
I'll post the reference again;

"I am a servant of the living God that carries the end time message, and it's either time to wake up now, or go down with your boat, friend". (The Shepherd's Chapel Questions and Answers period, aired 5-16-91)

807 posted on 11/29/2014 8:32:49 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

You stated what I posted was a falsehood. On the subject of the Trinity. It is up to you now to provide Murray’s actual reviews if indeed I am in error.


808 posted on 11/29/2014 8:34:44 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; CatherineofAragon
I will openly agree with Arnold's critics when they're right, as I have on this thread the last few posts. No cult of personality here.

>>I wonder if his followers were afraid he would launch into one of his angry tirades against them, and call them losers, yo-yos, idiots, etc., as he did with all of his detractors. Fine Christian witness, that.<<

I love it when he does that! He tried to pull his gun on a disruptor one time, it was great. lol

Would you have the courage to directly confront Murray about those 10% of things you disagree with him? How would being called a loser, yo-yo, idiot, etc. make YOU feel? Would you LOL it off as great??? Somehow, he doesn't strike me as a person that appreciates being disagreed with. Would he say you were disqualified from being in his select 7000 because you weren't 100% convinced???

809 posted on 11/29/2014 8:38:38 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
That you're making these false accusations and you don't even know his name, his name is Arnold, not Arthur.

Auto correct must be a Kenite invention.

If you accuse what I posted is false show us here some actual quotes from the transcripts of his sermons. Should be easy for a 7000 insider to cough up some copies.

Show us.

810 posted on 11/29/2014 8:39:29 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: editor-surveyor

The use of “I’s” and “I am” frequently in one paragraph shows much.


811 posted on 11/29/2014 8:41:04 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; CatherineofAragon; redleghunter
There are more than a few "prophecies" Murray claims to be right about. He makes some startling predictions about genuine Christians who disagree with him. From his site's Statement of Faith, he says:

    We believe the seventh trump sounds after the tribulation (Matthew 24: 29-31). Paul wrote his second letter to the Thessalonians because he knew the first had been misunderstood, concerning Jesus Christ's second return. Paul then gives two signs which will be present when the Day of the Lord comes. Those signs being the apostasy and the man of lawlessness. Neither of these signs were present at that time.

    Apostasy means giving up or renouncing of one's professed principles, or faith. This will come to pass when the religious lamb (false messiah) of Revelation 13:11 comes to pass. He will look like the Lamb of God, but his voice is of the dragon, for he is the great dragon, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan (Revelation 12:9). When the false christ stands in the holy place performing in the sight of Christians, the pretribulation-rapture-Christian shall think it is Jesus Christ coming to rapture them away. It is the duty of the elect to stand and witness in the synagogues, allowing the Holy Spirit to give His Message to the world through you. (Mark 13:9).

    Jesus Christ is your spiritual Husband. You should remain a spiritual virgin until He returns (II Corinthians 11:2). For Jesus Christ Himself said; "Woe to them that are with child in those days!" (Mark 13:17). If your spiritual Husband has been on a long journey and finds you with child when He returns, then you have been impregnated (deceived) with the mark of the false messiah, and worshipped Satan in the last hour. Study God's Word. http://www.shepherdschapel.com/statement-of-faith.cfm

He's just wrong, very wrong about this, too.

812 posted on 11/29/2014 8:57:56 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: redleghunter
So what was that original ‘sin’. I won't quote Arnold Murray, which I do think that he has returned to the Maker that sent him.

Does your Bible say that a slithering snake served up an apple to Eve and she share with her new hubby and wallah la they both realize they were naked? Hmmmm????

Paul has much to say in contrast to the physical sin at the Garden Party and the coming spiritual sin of those filled with the tribulation of deception. I get the impression that what the Creator had Moses pen in Genesis is just not acceptable to the majority of modern Christians. No wonder we have the abomination of evolution given credibility by the new age Christians.

813 posted on 11/29/2014 9:05:32 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; boatbums; editor-surveyor; daniel1212
I do remember him saying his ministry is the Elijah ministry of the end times. That's not saying he's a prophet of course. I'd say I agree with him there. If only 7000 are not going to be fooled by Satan, I would guess most of those 7000 are Arnold's students. No other church teaches God's Word in a manner that prepares them to spot the antiChrist when he arrives.

Well what I quoted came from a 1991 sermon.

Ok on the issue of the 7000. Who told you were one of the 7000? If you are one of the 7000 (as you asserted such earlier); and it is your mission not to be deceived in the end times, do you deem we are in the end times? If so which seal are we witnessing?

No other church teaches God's Word in a manner that prepares them to spot the antiChrist when he arrives.

Really? Seems Paul prepared the Thessalonians quite well. We have what we need to know from Jesus Christ and His apostles.

2 Thessalonians 2 King James Version (KJV)

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.(KJV)

It's only when people come along saying "only some can know" or an "elect few have the privilege" that we come to the warnings of false prophets, and Synagogues of Satan. Go ask Rome. Their church revolves on an axis of a special class of saints and a clergy with the power to change elements even though they don't change. Also to tell people their church is the only infallible source of truth claims. Shepherds Chapel has found a friend in Rome.

814 posted on 11/29/2014 9:07:55 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Yes the Apostle John penned Revelation. Thought that was pretty much prophetic.


815 posted on 11/29/2014 9:09:14 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: boatbums
So what is the first tribulation? Course Christ was rather specific in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. D E C E P T I O N... Recently we had a infamous MIT economists call a segment of Americans ‘stupid’ because they believed a healthcare LIE. Do you know who the fake messiah is? Christ did and so did Paul.
816 posted on 11/29/2014 9:14:20 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; editor-surveyor; boatbums
Sometime before 2068. I would guess right around 2020. Only God knows the date but we are allowed to know the season.

Last I checked, guessing is not a duty description for a prophet. When Arnold passed away earlier this year who took his Elijah "prophet office."

Would you agree a prophet of God must be 100% correct?

817 posted on 11/29/2014 9:15:44 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; editor-surveyor

Did Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God rise on the third day after His death with a Glorified Body? Meaning was the Resurrection of His body or was it of Spirit only?


818 posted on 11/29/2014 9:18:22 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; CatherineofAragon
Because it is written in Rom 11:4

Exegesis is very important. Is Paul specifically pointing to a future time where 7000 stand strong against antichrist? No he is not looking at the verse literally, plainly.

Using your own metric of "verse by verse, chapter by chapter, book by book" where else in the NT do we see clear evidence of a 7000 number of stand outs?

819 posted on 11/29/2014 10:07:53 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: CatherineofAragon
Christianity doesn't teach that only 7000 will stand firm against the AntiChrist; yet Murray claims it and you accept it. Why?

Specifically the Scriptures do not teach such.

820 posted on 11/29/2014 10:10:17 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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