Posted on 12/10/2014 6:32:20 AM PST by marshmallow
"Christian unity" is one of those terms that stir up a whole spectrum of—sometimes emotional—opinions.
On the one hand, we know that Jesus prayed to the Father concerning future believers "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you" (John 17:21a, NIV).
On the other hand, charismatics know it is almost pointless to discuss the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12, 14) with Baptists or most anyone else from a mainline denomination. And Protestants of just about any stripe get riled up when they hear Catholics talking about papal infallibility or their adoration of the Virgin Mary.
It's on this latter point that Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and successful author, has waded into a hornet's nest of controversy by telling a Catholic News Service interviewer that Protestants and Catholics "have far more in common than what divides us" and that Catholics do not "worship Mary like she's another god."
Regarding Warren's view that Catholics do not worship Mary, Matt Slick, writing on the website of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, goes into great detail with material from Roman Catholic sources that say Mary is "the all holy one," is to be prayed to, worshipped, that she "brings us the gifts of eternal life" and she "made atonement for the sins of man."
If that's not putting her in the place of Christ as a god-like figure to be worshipped, then what is it?
"We believe in Trinity, the Bible, the resurrection, and that salvation is through Jesus Christ. These are the big issues," Warren says. "But the most important thing is if you love Jesus, we're on the same team."
To Warren's point about being on the same team, Slick.....
(Excerpt) Read more at charismanews.com ...
shown by who??
Do you always answer a question with another question?
you must be a democrat....when you run out of things to say you resort to spelling or errors in context to berate your adversaries....nice!!!!!
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When you read the following passage from the Bible,
you can see that Elizabeth clearly used that expression "Blessed are you among women" when Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit (God), and virtually all of the English translations shown on "biblegateway.com" for Luke 1:42 use that phrase or the equivalent from the mouth of Elizabeth when she was filled with the Holy Spirit (God), as do all the English translations for that verse on biblehub.com.✝============================================================✝
And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and she exclaimed with a loud cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?"
Luke 1:41-43✝============================================================✝
Do you think Elizabeth was somehow speaking falsely when she was filled with the Holy Spirit?
(By the way, many of the English translations also include that same phrase as coming from the angel Gabriel in Luke 1:28, including the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible, which most Fundamentalists seem to prefer.)
Here are the links to the English translations of Luke 1:42 which biblegateway.com and biblehub.com provide, showing Elizabeth declaring that truth while she was filled with the Holy Spirit:
"http://biblehub.com/luke/1-42.htm" - (Luke 1:42 - English Bible Translations on biblehub.com)
And here are the various English Bible translations for Luke 1:42 as found at biblegateway.com, so you can see where that phrase or the equivalent is used in the English translations for that text:
Luke 1:42 (KJ21)
42 And she spoke out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
Luke 1:42 (ASV)
42 and she lifted up her voice with a loud cry, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
Luke 1:42 (AMP)
42 And she cried out with a loud cry, and then exclaimed, Blessed (favored of God) above all other women are you! And blessed (favored of God) is the Fruit of your womb!
Luke 1:42 (CEB)
42 With a loud voice she blurted out, “God has blessed you above all women, and he has blessed the child you carry.
Luke 1:42 (CJB)
42 and spoke up in a loud voice, “How blessed are you among women! And how blessed is the child in your womb!
Luke 1:42 (CEV)
42 Then in a loud voice she said to Mary: God has blessed you more than any other woman! He has also blessed the child you will have.
Luke 1:42 (DARBY)
42 and cried out with a loud voice and said, Blessed [art] *thou* amongst women, and blessed the fruit of thy womb.
Luke 1:42 (DLNT)
42 and exclaimed with a loud shout and said, “You are blessed among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.
Luke 1:42 (DRA)
42 And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
Luke 1:42 (ERV)
42 In a loud voice she said to Mary, “God has blessed you more than any other woman. And God has blessed the baby you will have.
Luke 1:42 (ESV)
42 and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
Luke 1:42 (ESVUK)
42 and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
Luke 1:42 (EXB)
42 She cried out in a loud voice, “·God has blessed you [L?You are blessed] ·more than any other woman [L?among women], and ·he has blessed the baby to which you will give birth [L?blessed is the fruit of your womb].
Luke 1:42 (GNV)
42 And she cried with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, because the fruit of thy womb is blessed.
Luke 1:42 (GW)
42 She said in a loud voice, “You are the most blessed of all women, and blessed is the child that you will have.
Luke 1:42 (GNT)
42 and said in a loud voice, “You are the most blessed of all women, and blessed is the child you will bear!
Luke 1:42 (HCSB)
42 Then she exclaimed with a loud cry: You are the most blessed of women, and your child will be blessed!
Luke 1:42 (ISV)
42 and she loudly exclaimed, “How blessed are you among women, and how blessed is the infant in your womb!
Luke 1:39-45 (PHILLIPS)
39-45 With little delay Mary got ready and hurried off to the hillside town in Judea where Zacharias and Elisabeth lived. She went into their house and greeted her cousin. When Elisabeth heard her greeting, the unborn child stirred inside her and she herself was filled with the Holy Spirit, and cried out, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is your child! What an honour it is to have the mother of my Lord come to see me! Why, as soon as your greeting reached my ears, the child within me jumped for joy! Oh, how happy is the woman who believes in God, for he does make his promises to her come true."
Luke 1:42 (JUB)
42 and she spoke out with a loud voice and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
Luke 1:42 (KJV)
42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
Luke 1:42 (AKJV)
42 and she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
Luke 1:42 (LEB)
42 And she cried out with a loud shout and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
Luke 1:42 (TLB)
42 She gave a glad cry and exclaimed to Mary, "You are favored by God above all other women, and your child is destined for God’s mightiest praise".
Luke 1:39-45 (MSG)
Blessed Among Women
39-45 Mary didn’t waste a minute. She got up and traveled to a town in Judah in the hill country, straight to Zachariah’s house, and greeted Elizabeth. When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby in her womb leaped. She was filled with the Holy Spirit, and sang out exuberantly, You’re so blessed among women, and the babe in your womb, also blessed! And why am I so blessed that the mother of my Lord visits me? The moment the sound of your greeting entered my ears, The babe in my womb skipped like a lamb for sheer joy. Blessed woman, who believed what God said, believed every word would come true!
Luke 1:42 (MEV)
42 She spoke out with a loud voice, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
Luke 1:42 (MOUNCE)
(see biblegateway link)
Luke 1:42 (NOG)
42 She said in a loud voice, “You are the most blessed of all women, and blessed is the child that you will have.
Luke 1:42 (NABRE)
42 cried out in a loud voice and said, “Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.
Luke 1:42 (NASB)
42 And she cried out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
Luke 1:42 (NCV)
42 She cried out in a loud voice, “God has blessed you more than any other woman, and he has blessed the baby to which you will give birth.
Luke 1:42 (NET)
42 She exclaimed with a loud voice, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child in your womb!
Luke 1:42 (NIRV)
42 In a loud voice she called out, “God has blessed you more than other women. And blessed is the child you will have!
Luke 1:42 (NIV)
42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear!"
Luke 1:42 (NIVUK)
42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: 'Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear!'
Luke 1:42 (NKJV)
42 Then she spoke out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
Luke 1:42 (NLV)
42 Elizabeth spoke in a loud voice, "You are honored among women! Your Child is honored!"
Luke 1:42 (NLT)
42 Elizabeth gave a glad cry and exclaimed to Mary, God has blessed you above all women, and your child is blessed."Luke 1:42 (NRSV)
42 and exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.
Luke 1:42 (NRSVA)
42 and exclaimed with a loud cry, ‘Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.
Luke 1:42 (NRSVACE)
42 and exclaimed with a loud cry, ‘Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.
Luke 1:42 (NRSVCE)
42 and exclaimed with a loud cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb."
Lukas 1:42 (OJB)
42 And Elisheva cried out with a kol gadol (loud voice) and said, Brucha at miNashim (Blessed art thou among women), and baruch (blessed is) the pri (fruit) of your womb! [SHOFETIM 5:24]
Luke 1:42 (RSV)
42 and she exclaimed with a loud cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
Luke 1:42 (RSVCE)
42 and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!"
Luke 1:42 (VOICE)
Elizabeth (shouting): 42 You are blessed, Mary, blessed among all women, and the child you bear is blessed!
Luke 1:42 (WEB)
42 She called out with a loud voice, and said, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!"
Luke 1:42 (WE)
42 She said in a loud voice, `God has made you happy and blessed you more than all other women. He has blessed your baby.'
Luke 1:42 (WYC)
42 and cried with a great voice, and said, Blessed be thou among women, and blessed be the fruit of thy womb.'
Luke 1:42 (YLT)
42 and spake out with a loud voice, and said, `Blessed [art] thou among women, and blessed [is] the fruit of thy womb;'
anyone who has, and then denies the very church which provides everyone on Earth with the entire scripture needs to be extremely careful of casting stones lest she is asked to at least attempt to justify such illogical behavior...
SURE IT DOES (Otherwise; it would have been used to describe JESUS.)
Jesus was described as the Son of God...no real need for extras in His Resume'
wrong again Kemosabe...there are millions who cannot make it as Catholics and therefore hate everything that the original Church of Christ stands for....fixed that for you..
Fret not. There will come some reason the site isn’t reliable.
LOL. Pic of a future House Speaker. Landslide election gave me an historic mandate, and I’m powerless — powerless I tell you! — to do anything but surrender.
We’ve been through that vlad. You need something new.
Naw man. You didn't make me cry. But whatever makes you feel better then by all means post it. I appreciate an honest post. Sure beats all the other falsehoods this evening. Heck, you can even Freepmail me and give it your all. WVKayaker...Unplugged.
Only problem is that it's not the Christ of scripture.
who is "we" and no you didn't.
False premise. Total conjecture. Truth is, no one can ever know what happened as nothing is recorded either in secular or religious writings. They can't even agree on what area of the country she spent her last days in. If they didn't even know where she spent her last days as there is no record of her whereabouts it's rather obvious she was not considered important enough. She wasn't even important enough for anyone to keep track of her.
Um, you missed the question. The Catholic Church says He had two natures. oh, never mind...
Wow! That’s getting desperate.
I made no such claim nor can one usually prove a negative....you made the claim and associated the Catholic Church with your claim....why and how???
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