Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

[xzins]

I don’t think so.

You simply play into the hands of radical modern scholars who claim Christianity, the birth, death, burial, and resurrection, are nothing more than updated middle eastern religions.

Mary truly was pregnant with the Son of God. And there is nothing unusual or irrational about arriving at the ‘mother of God’ concept. And, as we’ve seen, it’s true in regard to her being the mother of the incarnate, 2d person of the trinity.

Nor, really, is there anything more than sentiment that explains the Assumption. It basically comes from the notion that kids really love their moms, that Jesus loved His mother, too, so given the power, He raptured her early.

It’s problem, of course, is there being no biblical basis for such a sentiment. But sentimental people come up with all kinds of notions and then incorporate them into their worship as if they’re a necessary part of the faith...all the way from altar rails to mourner’s benches to pulpits.

[Resettozero]

the Catholic church is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.....always

But the RCC seem hesitant to confess Christ first and foremost. Many other things instead trouble the OTC, according to reports from the Vatican.

Without apparent comprehension, your sentence above just replaced Lord Jesus Christ and inserted the RCC in His place.

Just...who...would even hint at doing a thing like that? Who indeed.

[Elsie]

"Plain meaning" is not necessarily literal meaning.

Catholic Speak 101

[Elsie]

If the passage is allegorical, then the plain meaning is the meaning of the allegory.

This is my body...

[Elsie]

How many times must you be shown that isn't true to stop making the statement?

It's called the STA school of posting: hoping that NEW lurkers will fall for it every now and then.

[Elsie]

Can you show me anything in the Catechism that contradicts this? That says Jesus will grant an intercession from Mary contrary to the will of the Father?

Can you show me anything in the history of the church or the BIBLE that states that Jesus will grant an intercession from Mary at all?

[Elsie]

. Messiah prayed the Apostles into unity. They heard and obeyed.

Catholicism screwed it up, and gave us...

"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

[Elsie]

At this point in my education, I see Mary as being a supporting character in the larger story.

At this point in the lineage of Jesus, I see RAHAB as being a supporting character in the larger story.

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Matthew 1:1-16    Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham:

² Abraham begot Isaac. And Isaac begot Jacob. And Jacob begot Judas and his brethren.

³ And Judas begot Phares and Zara of Thamar. And Phares begot Esron. And Esron begot Aram.

⁴ And Aram begot Aminadab. And Aminadab begot Naasson. And Naasson begot Salmon.

⁵ And Salmon begot Booz of Rahab. And Booz begot Obed of Ruth. And Obed begot Jesse.

⁶ And Jesse begot David the king. And David the king begot Solomon, of her that had been the wife of Urias.

⁷ And Solomon begot Roboam. And Roboam begot Abia. And Abia begot Asa.

⁸ And Asa begot Josaphat. And Josaphat begot Joram. And Joram begot Ozias.

⁹ And Ozias begot Joatham. And Joatham begot Achaz. And Achaz begot Ezechias.

¹⁰ And Ezechias begot Manasses. And Manasses begot Amon. And Amon begot Josias.

¹¹ And Josias begot Jechonias and his brethren in the transmigration of Babylon.

¹² And after the transmigration of Babylon, Jechonias begot Salathiel. And Salathiel begot Zorobabel.

¹³ And Zorobabel begot Abiud. And Abiud begot Eliacim. And Eliacim begot Azor.

¹⁴ And Azor begot Sadoc. And Sadoc begot Achim. And Achim begot Eliud.

¹⁵ And Eliud begot Eleazar. And Eleazar begot Mathan. And Mathan begot Jacob.

¹⁶ And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

[Elsie]

I can usually find value in a Joel Osteen sermon, a fact which no doubt labels me and my spirit as being hopelessly lost.

All the food is good on the buffet table; until you get to the punch, and find floating there...

[Elsie]

She was a virgin and became pregnant with Him.

Not BY Him; else Oedipus would be proud!

[Elsie]

Of course not.

[Elsie]

...now I can see that more than a few of the current TV preachers have at least something to offer, some more than others.

Oh?

And just HOW do you make THIS judgment call?

What is your STANDARD you base their messages upon?

[Elsie]

and SO many times; too!

[Elsie]

Of course His miracles were planned, since they were prophesied.

I was discussing THIS:

John clearly says ...

[Elsie]

I could go on, but my fingers are tired...

May I preserve your work here and reuse it??

[Elsie]

1. Faith in the LORD Jesus Christ that he left a visible, historic, real, holy catholic apostolic church that reaches to the ends of the earth since his resurrection.

FACT that the Catholics severely messed up seven churches in Asia; as recorded by JOHN.

[Elsie]

Which denomination, sect, or faith group do you assemble with on Sundays ?

Why?

Isn't his Sola Verbosa good enough for you?

[Elsie]

Is that a sufficient identification?

NO!

We wanna find something in YOUR organization's past to bludgeon you over the head with!

--Catholic_Wannabe_Dude(Oops! Did I type that out loud?)

[Elsie]

I want to be a hiker to Emmaus more than a Berean.

You might WANT this, but; like Paul who PREFERRED to be away from the body and be with the Lord; I highly doubt you'll get to have Jesus school you, unLESS you become like a Berean!

[Elsie]

Your papers; please.