Posted on 01/18/2015 1:45:26 PM PST by Faith Presses On
uh, how do you know this?
And I am bemused that most of the quotes are from the gospels.
Actually, Catholics have the gospel read at every mass...even in the days the mass was in Latin. So most Catholics are aware of these quotes.
Book of Hebrews? Not so much...
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It is amazing how many thing Jesus sais which are not mentioned in Church, especially the thing he told us to do.
I have heard all of the passages within the past few years, but maybe not the KJV. When our pastor writes his sermons, they are chronological as he does the entire book. He doesn’t skip around too much.
So do Orthodox Christians (and other liturgical churches). Our sermons are usually from the Gospel reading for the day from the lectionary.
That is the downside of the non-liturgical churches. The New Testament coverage usually centers on the pastor's preferences / interests / concerns. As a result, there is incomplete coverage of the Gospels.
and neither in the rcc is all scripture covered as shown on this board.
Actually, I attend an evangelical church. Have heard all but one of these passages within the last 18 months.
I guess it depends on the focus of the church.
The New American Standard Bible uses the word “release” instead of redemption only in verse 35 : “Women received back their dead by resurrection; and others were tortured, not accepting their release, so that they might obtain a better resurrection;” so I checked my concordance and the definition of redemption is “a release effected by payment of ransom.”
So these could have paid money but chose instead to be tortured so they could glorify God in a greater way at the throne. Why pay money to Satan? Also consider that Paul could have gotten out of appealing to Rome.
I have been studying the great tribulation, being a post-tribber, and those who are faithful until death are given the privilege of serving the King of kings day and night (even when there is no night).
Keep in mind in Revelation that there are 5 kings who have fallen mentioned in Revelation. I think that those who have been faithful during tribulation under those kings who have been under Satan are included in the group. Just my opinion.
In Hebrews I laugh when I read that they “accepted joyfully the seizure of your property, knowing that you have for yourselves a better possession and an abiding one” because we are so ingrained with our rights.
Yes, that’s another one.
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
I’m glad to hear that you’ve both heard these passages in your church recently. Are there any areas of Scripture that have seemed to you to be missing, though?
On my own experiences, I don’t have a car so I’ve been limited to more urban churches where I can use public transportation. These are conservative, Bible-believing churches, but their location is urban, and seemed to be more influenced by their overall pretty liberal areas.
And despite these passages not being looked at in services where I’ve been, there have been many other similarly challenging passages that have come up. But maybe what more seems to be missing to me is the sense that these types of passages are very important in both the minds and actions of many and most in the Church. Like, one thing is said but another is often done. Most churches today seem to pretty frequently criticize church if it’s entertainment, and things of that nature, yet the entertainment mindset goes on even in many of those same churches that bring up the subject.
On the Catholic Church and Scripture, I won’t spend the time repeating all the different things I’ve written about it here, but I’ll just say I’m aware that the claims and the reality don’t match, and Catholics as a whole know little of the Bible. Parts of it are read in mass, but that’s not enough for people to know it. You need study, which means either going over it on your own, or with others, and an applying of it to your life in every situation.
On what is taught and mentioned in churches, I’ve done my best to describe it here but it’s a difficult thing to do. As I mentioned to someone else, there are similar passages to these that I’ve heard in church. What concerns me more is a softening that seems to emphasize such points less than in the past, in response to society. And I’m not going to take the time to say more about it now, but it’s a softening that can be connected in many ways to the Catholic Church and those others with liturgies as well.
Many Catholics attend Bible Study. I’ve taught a lot from Genesis to Revelation.
Please don’t put all Catholics in the same bucket.
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>> “Book of Hebrews? Not so much.” <<
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Yep, Hebrews Ch 6 scares the bejeezus out of the OSAS crowd.
So does 2Peter 2:19-22.
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“Yep, Hebrews Ch 6 scares the bejeezus out of the OSAS crowd.”
Why should it, since it’s summed up with
“But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way.”
The entire book is a warrant for security and hope. Better promises, superior to Angels, once for all, by the power of an indestructible life, a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek, able to save to the uttermost, how much more will the blood of his Son cleanse your conscience from dead works, Today!, etc. (all from recent memory).
I encourage every believer to read Hebrews and revel in the supremacy of Jesus Christ and His ETERNAL salvation.
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I myself never give any thought to the 30,000 plus Protestant sects. I don't care what they do.
I would say that most sermons tend to be from the New Testatment. Our pastor did run through the minor prophets a few years ago but I don’t think he has ever preached from Numbers or Chronicles, etc. So, not much Old Testament.
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