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To: Roman_War_Criminal

All you have is Bible, Bible, Bible (that was assembled by the early Church fathers) and following the curse of the Reformation, where every Tom, Dick, and Harry believes they can crack open the page of the Bible and give it their “own” interpretation as if reading from a newspaper.

Why don’t you spend serious time reading the works of Augustine, Aquinas, Newman, and Benedict XVI. I know, all these eminent theologians got it wrong, they are all fools, you alone and corner street pastors now got it right!

Because it’s not explicitly stated in the Bible, to hell with the oral traditions even though the John writes in 21: 25

“But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.”(Douay-Rheims Bible)

The is what Bible Christians do, they attract the low IQ followers like the Osteens and Billy Grahams and Jim Jones’ etc with their simplistic rhetoric waving around Bible in hand. Serious theological research and scholarship goes over their heads. Why don’t you listen to Tim Staples who for 20 years thought like the Jimmy Swaggarts and Billy Grahams of this world until he realized he was being taken for an idiot???


142 posted on 01/25/2015 4:04:07 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

So basically you think, in a nutshell, that Saint Augustine and other Post-Testament “Saints” have more validity and authority in their Op-Eds than the what Peter, John, Timothy, Moses and David via the Holy Spirit?

LOL!

Speaking of serious theological research & scholarship!
I can at least back up what I believe with valid scripture quotes from the Holy Bible (more than I can say for you as I’m still waiting on the Marian worship verses I asked for).

And stop acting as if I follow idiots like Osteen, Swaggart, & Jones. Their stupidity speaks for itself, I’m not totally in agreement with what Graham says either, but at least he gets it.


143 posted on 01/25/2015 4:26:56 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: Steelfish
So when these ECFs disagree with the rcc on mary, the papacy, etc....what say you?

Are you cherry picking only the quotes you like and ignoring the others?

146 posted on 01/25/2015 4:52:25 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Steelfish
Because it’s not explicitly stated in the Bible, to hell with the oral traditions even though the John writes in 21: 25

Nothing wrong with oral tradition if it doesn't negate the written word. We know that Jesus did many things not written in the Bible. That's obvious, but if you turn John back one chapter you'd find this.

John 20: 30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

It seems pretty clear that the recorded history is sufficient. The written record is traced back to the teaching of the apostles. The oral tradition is only said to be traced back to the apostles' teaching.

Additionally, if there were any details that were required for salvation that were not written down, don't you think someone would have written them down as soon as possible? I have no faith in hear-say that was passed down for hundreds of years before anyone bothered to write it down.

167 posted on 01/26/2015 9:31:42 AM PST by Tao Yin
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