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Fr. Richard McBrien, theologian and church expert, dies at 78 [NCR, aka Fishwrap, aka National Sch
National Catholic Reporter [Fishwrap, National Schismatic Distorter] ^ | 25 Jan 2015 | NCR Staff

Posted on 01/25/2015 10:09:40 PM PST by Arthur McGowan

“Fr. McBrien was an able and indefatigable proponent of the Catholic revolution that never was and, now, never will be,” said George Weigel, widely seen as America’s leading conservative Catholic commentator.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholicism; heresy
McBrien, a priest who lived with a concubine just off-campus, with the full knowledge of the entire Notre Dame campus and the bishop of South Bend, who engineered the infamous pro-abortion speech of Mario Cuomo in 1984, who undoubtedly has the blood of thousands, if not millions, of dead babies on his hands, has assumed room temperature. How many bishops will be jostling to be around the altar at his funeral?
1 posted on 01/25/2015 10:09:41 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

I agree with George Weigel
But Bishop of South Bend? Concubine? sources?


2 posted on 01/25/2015 10:20:36 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

My source is Ralph McInerny. Straight out of his mouth.


3 posted on 01/25/2015 10:21:44 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

Wow! I do read a lot of Ralph McInerny but never came across that. I can’t recall McBrien being a “Bishop” and if he said so this is categorically untrue. The concubine comment is defamatory if untrue and I have serious doubts McInerny would utter this as well.


4 posted on 01/25/2015 11:00:04 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Arthur McGowan

Was he excommunicated? or was he still in good standing with the Church?


5 posted on 01/25/2015 11:29:11 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Steelfish

Nobody said McBrien was a bishop!

I said Ralph McInerny said it. Should I believe your doubts, or my own ears?


6 posted on 01/25/2015 11:35:02 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: GeronL

McBrien was, legally and technically, in “good standing.” I.e., he was never excommunicated, never suspended from ministry, and had faculties.

He was, however, a sleazy, weasely pro-abortion activist for decades. He was too smart to come out and promote abortion, but he was Mario Cuomo’s “house theologian.” McBrien invited Cuomo to give his infamous pro-abortion speech at Notre Dame in 1984.

We cannot know who is in hell. We have words from our Lord himself telling us that we cannot know.

But McBrien lived a publicly sinful, faithless life, and certainly set himself up, psychologically and morally, by decades of obstinacy and pride, to be incapable of repentance at the end.

It is a gross disservice to souls to ooze about God’s mercy when a monster like McBrien croaks.


7 posted on 01/25/2015 11:42:59 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

In one of Father John Hardon’s tapes, he speaks of being at some conference, at which a number of bishops were in attendance. After McBrien finished speaking, Fr Hardon stood up and said: I want to say that everything, and I mean everything that man said is heresy. And he (Fr Hardon) walked out. He said what shocked him was that no one followed him.


8 posted on 01/26/2015 12:57:10 AM PST by jobim (.)
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To: jobim

Only one bishop in the U.S. taught Humanae Vitae. Only one bishop in the U.S. taught the police that clearing the doors of abortion clinics was a mortal sin.

Of course, only one bishop didn’t cave to Henry VIII.

History is full of examples of one man’s being right while the mob is wrong.


9 posted on 01/26/2015 3:44:37 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
I knew of both McBrien and McInerny while I was there, but never had either for a prof. I did have some excellent priests and profs in theology, philosophy and ethics. FR. Mike H. was my favorite, along with Fr. "Chick" Sheedy and Joe Evans.

fr. H. Always told me McBrien was a bit of a gasbag. He was a bit of an oddity on campus for not being a CSC, which always made the Holy Crossers a bit skeptical of him. After he started heading into the 'unusual' corners of what might've passed for theological beliefs, I was always surprised that Notre Dame let him stay, but then Monk Malloy was running the show and I never thought much of him.

the problem with all major universities is they all seem to think its ok to allow some nuts on board in the name of independent thought. Problem is with a guy like FR. McBrien is they get a little too much notariety and it goes to their head.

I don't know about the accusations and will just say he has to take that up with God, much like the pedophiles. Goodbye Good Men opened my eyes to that mess, which is an entirely separate matter.

cheers

irish guard

10 posted on 01/26/2015 4:28:46 AM PST by irish guard
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To: Arthur McGowan

My dad ran the Catholic Key in Kansas City for years. He would run this dude’s column and people would have choice comments to write in. The “new” bishop, Finn, forbade McBrien’s column much to my liberal dad’s disappointment.


11 posted on 01/26/2015 4:49:44 AM PST by yldstrk
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To: jobim

Wow!


12 posted on 01/26/2015 7:29:51 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Arthur McGowan

NCR just removed their comments’ section “out of respect for the dead.”

There were some praises there of how wonderfully “progressive” he was.

We can “progress” in holiness, but we can also “progress” in offending God by disobeying His Commandments. It matters for all eternity in which direction are we “progressive.”

We can be “conservative” in being faithful to God, or “conservative” by being stuck in the hippie morality, not willing to turn away from sin to the Lord of Mercy.

The terms “progressive” and “conservative” can be deceptive when freely thrown around.

I consider myself progressive, and view individuals like McBrien ultra-conservative: stuck-frozen in the 1960’s.


13 posted on 01/26/2015 10:42:09 AM PST by heyheyhey
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To: Arthur McGowan

I think as Catholics we should all pray for his soul.


14 posted on 01/26/2015 10:53:41 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Steelfish

McBrien was never a bishop,but he was head of the theology department. A methodist theologian now at Duke has written that he and McBrien did not get along because the Methodist was more “Catholic” in his views than McBrien, that McBrien just didn’t “get” his own faith.


15 posted on 01/26/2015 8:42:10 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: irish guard

McBrien was in the rolodex of the AP reporters. If they needed to get some contrarian views on the Church they would go to him automatically.


16 posted on 01/26/2015 8:47:12 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: FourtySeven

Poor fellow. But, Lord, how many sheep did he lead astray! The best we can say is that the man was deluded and could not help himself. Like the drunk with one leg shorter than the other who couldn’t help walking in circles.


17 posted on 01/26/2015 8:50:51 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Arthur McGowan

” with the full knowledge of the entire Notre Dame campus and the bishop of South Bend, “


D’Arcy ?

.


18 posted on 01/26/2015 8:53:15 PM PST by Mears (awesome.)
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