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Posted on 02/20/2015 12:33:03 PM PST by RnMomof7
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Other Irenaeus quotations:
Christ] has declared the cup, a part of creation, to be his own Blood, from which he causes our blood to flow; and the bread, a part of creation, he has established as his own Body, from which he gives increase to our bodies.”
Source: St. Irenaeus of Lyons, Against Heresies, 180 A.D.:
“So then, if the mixed cup and the manufactured bread receive the Word of God and become the Eucharist, that is to say, the Blood and Body of Christ, which fortify and build up the substance of our flesh, how can these people claim that the flesh is incapable of receiving God’s gift of eternal life, when it is nourished by Christ’s Blood and Body and is His member? As the blessed apostle says in his letter to the Ephesians, ‘For we are members of His Body, of His flesh and of His bones’ (Eph. 5:30). He is not talking about some kind of ‘spiritual’ and ‘invisible’ man, ‘for a spirit does not have flesh an bones’ (Lk. 24:39). No, he is talking of the organism possessed by a real human being, composed of flesh and nerves and bones. It is this which is nourished by the cup which is His Blood, and is fortified by the bread which is His Body. The stem of the vine takes root in the earth and eventually bears fruit, and ‘the grain of wheat falls into the earth’ (Jn. 12:24), dissolves, rises again, multiplied by the all-containing Spirit of God, and finally after skilled processing, is put to human use. These two then receive the Word of God and become the Eucharist, which is the Body and Blood of Christ.”
-”Five Books on the Unmasking and Refutation of the Falsely
Clement of Alexandria:
St. Clement of Alexandria studied under Pantaenus. He later succeeded him as the director of the school of catechumens in Alexandria, Egypt around the year 200 A.D.,
“The Blood of the Lord, indeed, is twofold. There is His corporeal Blood, by which we are redeemed from corruption; and His spiritual Blood, that with which we are anointed. That is to say, to drink the Blood of Jesus is to share in His immortality. The strength of the Word is the Spirit just as the blood is the strength of the body. Similarly, as wine is blended with water, so is the Spirit with man. The one, the Watered Wine, nourishes in faith, while the other, the Spirit, leads us on to immortality. The union of both, however, - of the drink and of the Word, - is called the Eucharist, a praiseworthy and excellent gift. Those who partake of it in faith are sanctified in body and in soul. By the will of the Father, the divine mixture, man, is mystically united to the Spirit and to the Word.”,
-”The Instructor of the Children”. [2,2,19,4] ante 202 A.D.,
“The Word is everything to a child: both Father and Mother, both Instructor and Nurse. ‘Eat My Flesh,’ He says, ‘and drink My Blood.’ The Lord supplies us with these intimate nutrients. He delivers over His Flesh, and pours out His Blood; and nothing is lacking for the growth of His children. O incredible mystery!”,
-”The Instructor of the Children” [1,6,41,3] ante 202 A.D.. ,
Justin Martyr:
“This food we call the Eucharist, of which no one is allowed to partake except one who believes that the things we teach are true, and has received the washing for forgiveness of sins and for rebirth, and who lives as Christ handed down to us. For we do not receive these things as common bread or common drink; but as Jesus Christ our Savior being incarnate by God’s Word took flesh and blood for our salvation, so also we have been taught that the food consecrated by the Word of prayer which comes from him, from which our flesh and blood are nourished by transformation, is the flesh and blood of that incarnate Jesus.”
“First Apology”, Ch. 66, inter A.D. 148-155.
THAT! Amen x40.
God bless and keep you.
So GOOD to have Mrs D back here posting.
PRAISE GOD!
Ah, a second thank you in one day. Your BFF from the milk thread usually shows up on these threads as well ; )
The quote from Irenaeus is consistent with traditional Catholic teaching. Irenaeus refers to “earthy” he is referring to are the physical characteristics that our senses pick up. When he refers to “heavenly” he is referring to the essence of the bread and wine which has become the blood and body of Christ. Paul in I Corinthians, cited as the earliest book of the NT, when talking about the Last Supper stated “Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.”
LOLOLOLOL
Wow, what a shocker!
NOT!
If the Catholic Church isn’t reliable, what are we to conclude about the eucharist, then? What do we do if we can’t trust Catholicism to tell us what to believe?
There is a question of what to ignore—should one ignore Eucharistic Miracles, which would seem to be part of history?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=impcXV3Tl6E
Why do supposedly fellow Christians spend so much time and energy trying to weaken the Christian faith? Especially when Islam is trying to destroy Christianity entirely. It makes no sense to me.
Why do supposedly fellow Christians spend so much time and energy trying to weaken the Christian faith?
20000 protestant splinter groups weaken the faith
AMDG
As a Christian I encourage this. Read the whole chapter of John 6 i context.
I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me shall not hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. John 6:35
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. John 6:47
Belief in Him is the key to understanding this passage.
Yep, smart people ignore.
Fixing the (insert religion) Church is up to the (insert same religion) members.
Chopping FR members apart defending beliefs is not why FR was founded.
My goal is to fix myself and make myself a better Freeper.
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