Mormon Nazis: New book uncovers LDS support for the Third Reich

Never did I say her father was an SS officer, if you read my post.

More than SS officers were encouraged to have children with local women, as this was the expanded Reich.

And you are not accurately stating my comments on Ernst Rohm. The Republican comment is particularly off base.

I would not categorize Nazi propaganda, teachings or theory as “good standard moral behavior” — your words. I’ll leave it at that.

61 posted on 03/05/2015 7:17:19 PM PST by bajabaja (Too ugly to be scanned at the airports.)

To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“The Hi-Power is still available.”

Indeed they are. Fine pistols, too.

62 posted on 03/05/2015 7:19:41 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)

Mormon Nazis; another great religion thread on FR. Gosh it just doent get any better than that!

63 posted on 03/05/2015 7:23:29 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Pants up; don't loot)

Never did I say her father was an SS officer, if you read my post.

Yes you did.

I wrote: Himmler did once try to setup an SS baby factory, but his officers, most of whom were married, balked at the idea.

To which you replied: You sure about that? The brunette lead singer from ABBA (yes, ABBA) was the product of that very program

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More than SS officers were encouraged to have children with local women, as this was the expanded Reich.

C'mon. He was a soldier who had his way with a local girl in a war zone. Not exactly unique to the Germans. And not exactly the outcome of some grand plan.

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And you are not accurately stating my comments on Ernst Rohm.

I didn't state your comment. I replied to it.

You wrote: And the Nazi Ernst Rohm was a flagrant homosexual, and his Brown Shirts were known to lean that way too.

To which I agreed and pointed out that one mans transgressions do not disprove the Nazi party's public stance on moral issues. How have I misstated your comment?

I would not categorize Nazi propaganda, teachings or theory as “good standard moral behavior” — your words. I’ll leave it at that.

No. "Propaganda, teachings or theory" were your words, not mine. I wrote: The Nazi's preached good standard moral practices and enforced them on the general public. Not quite the same thing, eh?

64 posted on 03/05/2015 7:42:09 PM PST by SeeSharp

Read the essay again—it is a mischaracterization to take the four words “Hitler was a Christian” and imagine the writer is saying what you imply he is saying. In fact if you read past those words you will find that what he is saying is that Hitler was in fact not a Christian (although as he says Hitler did have a Christian background, as would have been common for his time) but what Hitler did was take the guise of Christianity to further his goals—which had nothing to do with Christ’s teaching.

I suggest reading something like this in the same way you might approach reading the article about Mormon Nazis. As you point out the author of that article is herself Mormon, so you read it with that knowledge—putting what she is saying through your own mental filter in order to identify what you find to be true. Do the same with the article about Protestants and Nazis and I believe you can get a picture about the overall climate in Germany during this time. I think it is especially useful to look at the larger picture coming out of German Protestantism because Mormonism’s relationship with Nazism had very little impact or importance outisde of Utah.

I think basically we find that The Mormon Church had no more insight than any of the other religious groups at the time, and they were following the same misguided paths as everyone else.

65 posted on 03/05/2015 8:14:19 PM PST by Burkean (.)

I think basically we find that The Mormon Church had no more insight than any of the other religious groups at the time, and they were following the same misguided paths as everyone else.

(Which totally ignores the 1934 Barmen Declaration made by three Protestant church bodies)

66 posted on 03/05/2015 8:35:31 PM PST by Colofornian

When I was a teen I had a crush on her. And later I found I had some interesting sources that coincidentally knew these things.

My Brother in law has a similar "crush" on her and anything ABBA. It may be because of the Danish/Scandinavian pride about breaking into American pop culture. Perhaps it may be because he has affinity to Anni-Frid Lyngstad due to their similar paternal origins. I don't know and I doubt he would ever open up about such a thing. It's just curiosity on my part. I really like him, he is very intelligent and has a quirky sense of humor that is almost pythonesque.

67 posted on 03/05/2015 9:23:10 PM PST by Tailback

I tend to ignore his posts, they are a constant drug beat against all things Mormons.

If one cares to know the other side of the coin, read about Helmuth Hübener, a Mormon boy in Germany who took on the Nazis, distributing pamphlets against them, etc, and was killed by the Nazis for standing against them. There have been documentaries about him and his LDS friends who dared to do it. You can read about him here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmuth_Hübener

68 posted on 03/05/2015 9:47:52 PM PST by Ripliancum (Mosiah 29:27. Look it up.)

Ha, you beat me to it. (Helmuth Hübener)

69 posted on 03/05/2015 9:49:34 PM PST by Ripliancum (Mosiah 29:27. Look it up.)

Yes, I do agree that Karl Barth was a heroic voice in the wilderness, resisting the Third Reich in a firm but non confrontational way. This is indicative of the minority of resistance that existed at all levels.

70 posted on 03/05/2015 10:45:05 PM PST by Burkean (.)

Raoul Wallenberg, tho not representing any ecclesiastical role, but still integrated his Lutheran faith in saving many Jews in Hungary 1944-45.

71 posted on 03/05/2015 10:51:20 PM PST by Colofornian

Just another opportunity to pick a religious fight on FR

Sir! You impugn our motives!

72 posted on 03/06/2015 4:17:14 AM PST by Elsie

To: DuncanWaring; jimt

There are a few around here who seem to spend every waking moment trolling around the internet for disparaging things to write about their favorite target religious group, the daily Two Minute Hate.

would you like to meet Jim?

He's up to 3 minutes worth!

76 posted on 03/06/2015 4:22:26 AM PST by Elsie

To: Las Vegas Ron

Dude is obsessed, needs to get a life....it's all it posts. Sick.

Howdy; Ma'am!

What?

This IS our life!!!

We're are highly trained preachin' machines!

We do this for about a year or so; 10 hours a day, 6 days a week!

What's that??

Some people say we're obsessed??

No, Ma'am!! We are DEDICATED to the cause!!!

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77 posted on 03/06/2015 4:26:25 AM PST by Elsie

To: Las Vegas Ron

Yep, the fact the poster is still allowed to post his obsessions is why I rarely post, or contribute financially to this site anymore.

Reverse extortion!

What a concept!

Why didn't Voltaire think of it??

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

78 posted on 03/06/2015 4:29:26 AM PST by Elsie

The problem is, there is a pack of trolls here that keep feeding each other.

84,000

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/facts-and-stats

79 posted on 03/06/2015 4:31:35 AM PST by Elsie

To: laplata; Colofornian

I think Colofornian is a closet Mormon with a weird complex. Or nutts.

Colo; do you REALLY have wierd nuts?

80 posted on 03/06/2015 4:32:32 AM PST by Elsie

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