Three Words Catholics Do Not Understand

Proclaiming the Gospel ^ | March 18,2015 | Mike Gendron

[painter]

only superseded by their agreement that Catholics are going to hell.

Really? I was taught in a Catholic grade school that ONLY Jesus Christ decides who go to hell.

[Resettozero]

There is no such thing as a Presbyterian priest.

Of course not. But I'm curious as to his response to my question regarding which denomination of Presbyterianism a Roman Catholic bishop accepted his credentials to lead an RC group.

[painter]

The Holy Spirit can do wonders with one's stuffy intellect, if He's allowed to.

Then maybe You should relax and open your heart and allow the Holy Spirit in and open your eyes to realize us Catholics believe in Redemption like you.

[daniel1212]

: Dr Scott Hahn.

What desperation. No multitude of words from this sophist will provide what Scripture does not, and the fact remains that neither you nor him can even find NT pastors/ presbuteros (elders) ever even titled “hiereus” (= priest, from old Eng. "preost"), nor them offering altered bread and wine as a sacrificial offering for sins, and for souls to consume in order to obtain spiritual life. This doctrine is another invention , which the priesthood flowed from.

[Tennessee Nana]

Those in the Mormon religion try to earn their way into their afterlife too...

their god was just a man before he earned his godship and hey think they can too...

well the males anyway..the females are just going to be members of a harem and pregnant constantly forever to give birth to slaves to serve the god...

[painter]

You know I’m not sure. I’m guessing he left because of the homosexual issue.

[painter]

Then he was the same as a priest in it .

[Tennessee Nana]

No praying for the dead,
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It wouldn’t do the dead any good...

each person is destined to die once and after that comes judgment Hebrews 9:27

[daniel1212]

I did quote Scripture for my position in Matt 12:32. It wasn't just my own opinion.

And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Matthew 12:32)

And which simply fails to teach purgatory, as "the world to come" only speaks of the resurrection, not some postmortem world that is absent from Scripture, but which RCs must invent as a consequence of their soteriological errors, and attempt to extrapolate support from ambigous texts for.

But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: (Luke 20:35)

But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life. (Mark 10:30)

For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. (Hebrews 2:5)

And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, (Hebrews 6:5)

Got any more?

[af_vet_1981]

If you can’t show where God sanctioned praying for the dead just say so.

I can show it.

[Tennessee Nana]

Eh ???

[daniel1212]

. Belief without action is dead. We follow Christ in what He has commanded us to do as His followers.

More wishful thinking, as it is Caths who are among the least committed and the most liberal overall as compared with their evangelical counterparts.

The highest percentage of those who strongly agree they have a personal responsibility to share their faith was found among believers in Pentecostal/Foursquare churches (73%) http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/5-barna-update/53

• 81% of Pentecostal/Foursquare believers strongly agree that the Bible is totally accurate in all that it teaches , followed by 77% of Assemblies of God believers, and ending with 26% of Catholics and 22% of Episcopalians. ^

• The percentage of Catholics who believed the Bible is totally accurate in all of the principles it teaches declined from 34% in 1991 to 26% in 2011 http://www.barna.org/faith-spirituality/514-barna-study-of-religious-change-since-1991-shows-significant-changes-by-faith-group.

• Catholics [2012] report the lowest proportion of strongly affiliated followers among major American religious traditions, with a considerable divergence between evangelical Protestants on the one hand and Catholics and mainline Protestants on the other. There was an abrupt decline in strength of affiliation among Catholics starting in 1984 and ending in 1989. Thus may be due to the growing number of Latino Catholics responding to the survey. Previous research has shown Latino Catholics were less likely to report a strong religious affiliation compared with other Catholics. Also, the percentage of Americans who say they adhere to no religion climbed from about 6 percent in the 1970s and 1980s to 16 percent in 2010. http://www.science20.com/news_articles/religion_america_evangelicals_surge_catholics_wane-97244

• The typical Catholic person was 38% less likely than the average American to read the Bible; 67% less likely to attend a Sunday school class; 20% less likely to share their faith in Christ with someone who had different beliefs, donated about 17% less money to churches, and were 36% less likely to have an "active faith," defined as reading the Bible, praying and attending a church service during the prior week. Catholics were also significantly less likely to believe that the Bible is totally accurate in all of the principles it teaches. 44% of Catholics claimed to be "absolutely committed" to their faith, compared to 54% of the entire adult population. However, Catholics were 16% more likely to attend a church service and 8% more likely to have prayed to God during the prior week than the average American. Barna Reaearch, 2007, “Catholics Have Become Mainstream America” http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/12-faithspirituality/100

• 82% of Mainline Churches, 77% of Catholics and 53% of Evangelical Churches affirmed, "There is MORE than one true way to interpret the teachings of my religion." U.S. Religious landscape survey; Copyright © 2008 The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. http://religions.pewforum.org/comparisons#

• Orthodox (29%), Mainline Churches (28%), and Catholics (27%) led Christian Churches in affirming that the Scriptures were written by men and were not the word of God, versus just and 7% of Evangelical Churches, who instead rightly affirm its full inspiration of God.^

• Catholics broke with their Church's teachings more than most other groups, with just six out of 10 Catholics affirming that God is "a person with whom people can have a relationship", and three in 10 describing God as an "impersonal force." 2008 The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. http://religions.pewforum.org/comparisons#

• Only 33% of Catholics strongly affirmed that Christ was sinless on earth. http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/5-barna-update/53

  Much more .

[Resettozero]

...Catholics believe in Redemption like you.

I hope you are right but am not certain of it...haven't seen evidence or heard RC testimonies on FR to back that up. Perhaps some RCs do and just don't know how to come out of her and so they remain, voluntarily ensnared.

[painter]

I would like to here your story.

[Resettozero]

You know I’m not sure. I’m guessing he left because of the homosexual issue.

Please PM me one day if you ever learn which denomination of Presbyterian he was. And thank you.

But I'm pretty sure he didn't become an RC because of "the homosexual issue."

[painter]

When I’m ready which is soon I will give you and several here more that one testimonies to prove my belief.

[Resettozero]

When I’m ready which is soon I will give you and several here more that one testimonies to prove my belief.

Your testimony is the one that interests me.

[af_vet_1981]

Torah is written Law given by God. That is what God told Moses the Israelites must follow neither turning to the left nor right. Torah, that's it not Torah and the traditions of Aaron or his sons. We do know when man-made traditions were introduced the Israelites sinned by idolatry, sacrificing in the wrong places, and departed from God's Way His Torah. Jesus upheld Torah not man-made traditions. Period. I offered the reasoning in three posts now.

The Jews today cannot follow Torah fully especially the atonement because they have no temple. You know the history. So if you want to base a Christian theological practice (prayers for the dead) on man-made Jewish traditions Christ condemned have at it.

There are almost two million Torah observant (Orthodox) Jews in the world today that observe the Mourner's Kaddish, your gainsaying of this fact notwithstanding. Jews can follow Torah even when there is no temple made of hands.

[Resettozero]

Jews can follow Torah even when there is no temple made of hands.

Yes, they can try and fail, as all who have tried to keep the Law have failed. Except for One Who kept the Law and the Word of the prophets perfectly. Many Jews have followed This One by faith and successfully. Thousands of Jews at the first. (And again in the latter days, we're told.)

[G Larry]

You may note there are dozens of posters here who do not share Luther’s perspective and have challenged those positions as well.

As for Praying for the Dead, it IS Scriptural.

You and I simply differ on what qualifies as “Scriptural”.