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San Francisco Saint Mary’s Cathedral Drenches Homeless With Water To Keep Them Away
CBS ^ | March 18, 2015

Posted on 03/18/2015 6:26:18 PM PDT by DaveMSmith

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UPDATE: Archdiocese Apologizes, Will Remove Anti-Homeless Sprinkler System
1 posted on 03/18/2015 6:26:18 PM PDT by DaveMSmith
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To: DaveMSmith
It is over.

After inspecting the cathedral, the San Francisco Department of Building Inspection filed a notice of violation against the archdiocese and the cathedral, giving them 15 days to remove the system. In response, the archdiocese has taken out a plumbing permit to remove the entire watering system, which releases hundreds of gallons of water every night.

2 posted on 03/18/2015 6:28:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: DaveMSmith

Holee Cow!!!

They have murder holes and can afford to waste water during this horrible drought?


3 posted on 03/18/2015 6:29:12 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: DaveMSmith

Where do I send money to keep the water running?


4 posted on 03/18/2015 6:30:07 PM PDT by soycd
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To: DaveMSmith

What’s the problem? The sign says ‘No Trespassing’, the shelter is full, so GET OUT! It is not like California is especially cold in the winter. Those who don’t make it inside, can they not find another shelter?


5 posted on 03/18/2015 6:30:48 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: DaveMSmith

Removing the smell of urine I would think.


6 posted on 03/18/2015 6:31:04 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
It is not like California is especially cold in the winter.

You've never been to San Francisco.

7 posted on 03/18/2015 6:34:36 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: DaveMSmith

I’m pretty sure that Jesus disapproves of this.


8 posted on 03/18/2015 6:34:48 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: nickcarraway

SF can be cold in the summer. Well, kinda cold.


9 posted on 03/18/2015 6:36:13 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: DaveMSmith

I find this disturbing in a church.

If the best they can do is to harass people who will still nap there for a half hour at a time, I am not impressed with their efforts. Bus tickets to somewhere that they can find shelter or even a job? More creative efforts to help these people get off the streets? Better financial planning within the Church (less support for illegals?) so they have the money to help Americans who are in need? This watering is the wrong answer, as is allowing the homeless to urinate on the church entryways, and they should make an effort to do better.


10 posted on 03/18/2015 6:38:37 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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If they had any PR savvy they’d tell the press that they’re providing free showers to the homeless.


11 posted on 03/18/2015 6:38:43 PM PDT by Kaled
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To: DaveMSmith

NIMCA

(Not In My Church Alcove)


12 posted on 03/18/2015 6:40:50 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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I'm pretty sure Jesus would say, "Come with me to one of the homeless shelters available to serve your needs."

The Archdiocese of San Francisco supports overnight shelters, food pantries, soup kitchens, substance abuse programs; all they ask is that the homeless don't piss on the doors and leave human waste, trash and needles at the entrances.

So if they guy refuses to go to the shelter, then what does Jesus do? Pin his arms back and frog-march him to the van? Take him, to the shelter against his will? Do you think that would be humane, legal, or even Christlike?

What would you do if people were camping out in front of your door, using illegal drugs n front of your kids, and urinating and defecating on your front steps?

13 posted on 03/18/2015 6:43:59 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth." - 1 Timothy 3:15)
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To: nickcarraway

No, I have not been to California however, if you are referring to damp winter ‘coastal’ weather, try Hongcouver! Much nastier than San Fransicko, I presume! The ‘Lower Mainland, THAT is where most Canadians would prefer to winter, versus Calgary, Edmonton, Regina, Saskatoon, etc.


14 posted on 03/18/2015 6:44:29 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: DaveMSmith

How long has the system been there? I guarantee the outrage is not about the system alone but is a way to claim the Archbishop is being a hypocrite by demanding teachers in the Catholic schools follow Catholic teaching on faith and morals.


15 posted on 03/18/2015 6:44:41 PM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Timber Rattler
I’m pretty sure that Jesus disapproves of this.

Nonsense like this gives the left ammo for "Government is the solution"

16 posted on 03/18/2015 6:44:58 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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Archdiocese of San Francisco media advisory:

(SAN FRANCISCO, March 18, 2015) The following statement was made today by Bishop William Justice, Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of San Francisco, and Rector of The Cathedral of St. Mary of the Assumption:

The Archdiocese of San Francisco is, along with the Catholic St. Vincent de Paul Society, the largest supporter of services for the homeless in San Francisco. Every year, it helps many thousands of people through food, housing, shelter programs for people at risk including homeless mothers and families, and in countless other ways.

St. Mary's Cathedral is a huge part of that program, and does more than any other Catholic church. The Cathedral itself serves hundreds of homeless people giving them food and shelter, as an integral part of the San Francisco Interfaith Council's efforts in that regard, for example, opening its doors for shelter and food for five weeks over the holidays.

This sprinkler system in alcoves near our back doorways was installed approximately two years ago, after learning from city resources that this kind of system was being commonly used in the Financial District, as a safety, security and cleanliness measure to avoid the situation where needles, feces and other dangerous items were regularly being left in these hidden doorways. The problem was particularly dangerous because students and elderly people regularly pass these locations on their way to school and mass every day.

When the system was installed, after other ideas were tried and failed, the people who were regularly sleeping in those doorways were informed in advance that the sprinklers were being installed. The idea was not to remove those persons, but to encourage them to relocate to other areas of the Cathedral, which are protected and safer. The purpose was to make the Cathedral grounds as well as the homeless people who happen to be on those grounds safer.

We are sorry that our intentions have been misunderstood and recognize that the method used was ill-conceived. It actually has had the opposite effect from what it was intended to do, and for this we are very sorry.

We have also now learned that the system in the first place required a permit and may violate San Francisco water-use laws, and the work to remove this system has already started, and will be completed by the end of the day.

For more information, please call Larry Kamer at (415) 290-7240 or email: lkamer@kamergroup.com

17 posted on 03/18/2015 6:46:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth." - 1 Timothy 3:15)
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To: DaveMSmith
But he says they keep coming back, and most seem to have serious substance abuse issues.
These type of societies dregs urinate, defecate and defile the churches entrances. Same makes it very unpalatable, so to speak, to attend services there.
18 posted on 03/18/2015 6:54:53 PM PDT by zbogwan2
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Well they removed the illegal plumbing system so it is over.

And I seriously doubt that they didn’t know that they needed a permit, it was the same sort of church thinking that led them to deliberately avoid putting up a sign that the homeless would be surprised with a deluge.


19 posted on 03/18/2015 6:55:41 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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So if they guy refuses to go to the shelter, then what does Jesus do?

Leave him alone, and certainly not dump cold water on him.

20 posted on 03/18/2015 6:57:13 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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