What comes after a Papal edict to teach and practice heresy and what do we do in the meantime?

Hillary White wrote an article at the Remnant that I highly recommend reading, thinking and praying about.

I don’t have any answers for the questions I will pose below, but I think, with less than eight months to go before the next installment of the Synod to End the Family, now might be a good time to at least open the discussion: what do we do when the Cardinal Kasper’s New Paradigm is officially in place?

Simply put, can a Catholic in good conscience continue to attend a parish where the priest has agreed to go along with the New Paradigm? And if not, what then?

Ultimately, I believe we are in a situation in the Church so dire that only the long view of history is going to be able to determine what is really happening. But this is not to say that we who are living in it are unable to discern what our duty is here and now. I propose, therefore, only to start the discussion by asking some obvious but painful questions, and to perhaps illumine it with a few easily verifiable facts.

I'm going to tell you the exact moment I knew our beloved Holy Father would ask us to embrace and practice heresy.

It wasn't his disrespect and condescending insults of 2000 years of practitioners and praxis.

It wasn't the now hundreds of off-the-cuff statements he made that conveyed to listeners in every corner of the world that Church teaching on breaking the commandments should be ignored in practice because they're antiquated, the people who practice them are rigid, creed-reciting sourpusses who are afraid to dance.

It wasn't the numerous instances when he discredited, obstructed and dismantled Traditionalists.

It wasn't even when my own children cited the Pope's encouragement of immoral conduct, making them skeptical of 30 years of painful Catechesis in the world pulling them away from it. Though admittedly, that was the moment he became anathema to me. The long battle of keeping their moral compass straight through the many priests who tried to lure them into the pit, the many parishes I fled to find them a faithful pastor - or at least one who wouldn't lure them into heresy - the day they regurgitated what the Pope is teaching and expressed their skepticism, perhaps for the rest of their lives -- that is the day I wanted to punch Pope Francis in the nose. I've wanted to punch him in the nose every day since. But it still gave him the benefit of the doubt that it was not his intention to lead Christ's Church and people to embrace and practice heresy.

The day I knew was the day he appointed Kasper to lead the Synod on the family and asked us to embrace and practice the heresy Kasper teaches.

There is no miscommunication or misunderstanding possible. He appointed a heretic and asked the Church to embrace and practice it. The end.

The deceptive and sleaze around the Synod and the Relatio confirmed the moment Pope Francis appointed a heretic and asked the Church to embrace and practice it, in spite of it's contradiction to 2000 years of theology.

We don't have to wonder about whether he is going to do it. There it is in all it's glory.

Find a pastor who will remain faithful. Find the remnant. Practice and teach our religion in the cavern. And take every opportunity to resist and trip them. Like the Conference of Polish Bishops, like bloggers, find a mountain and witness that under no circumstances will we teach and practice their heresy. We are going nowhere. We will stay and muck up everything they try to roll out until they retreat. In every diocese, in every parish and every apostolate.

We are two generations of parents and grandparents whose children have been raped and robbed. They have no idea what that means and what they are up against.

The show in Rome is more of a threat to us than the muslim crusaders ethnically cleansing Christians with the help and support of the President of the United States and politicians whom they idolize, adore and honor. They are not going to lead our children into immorality and sin as the devil rises out of the abyss to kill us.

You want to know what we're going to do? Give Russ Steinback of the MA Knights of Columbus a call. He'll give you an earful. Tell you all about how Pope Francis and Cardinal Dolan were a witness to parade souls into clapping fornication and tell you the reasons why he couldn't get it executed.

You want to know what we're going to do? Call Fr. Rosica. He'll tell you that every time he publishes or tweets the propaganda, we will use his own words and actions and demonstrate how the errors lead our people into Sodom and Gomorrah. When he bullies and threatens us, we intends to pull together and fight back with masses of Catholics whose children they robbed. We expose every attempt to tell us to STFU and then end up drinking their own poison. By the Grace of God.

We're going to go to Mass, daily if and when we can. We're going to do what it takes to stay in a state of Grace every day. We're going to teach our religion. And we are going muck their agenda up from now until the October Synod, and afterwards if we have to.

Let them go back to Rome demoralized and tired and knowing that if they do it, we will reject the authority of the Pope and there is going to be a big fugatz. A lot of commotion. We don't know how it will play out. But there's one thing we do know. Even a pope is not going to separate us from the Chair of Peter of which he is a temporary occupant. We will, somehow, put the rubber ball on his nose and the noses of anyone who utters the agenda and we will carry on until the smoke rises again. We'll see plenty of ugly and cowardice. The boys will be separated from the men.

I believe informing the Holy Father what will happen is an act of charity. Maybe he will reconsider and his papacy will be spared the nightmare ahead of him. But I am not the least bit worried about whether he will or won't. Other then dreading the work ahead of us if he does. Whatever happens, happens. We will rise to the occasion.

I do not give a flying, flipping turd that the Pope doesn't like Catholics who are going to hold his feet to the fire to pass on the religion that gives our children a daily dose of Sanctifying Grace. I'm not losing any sleep over it. Rock on dude. Rock on.

So long as they know there is no way and no possibility we will teach our children the commandments can be ignored, breaking them can be virtuous and all the other farcical and diabolical concepts he has floated through the heretics he has appointed.

It is not happening and there will be some kind of earthquake that leads a huge divide in the fault, come the Synod.

We are going to stand as a witness on the opposite side of the Pope. We will retain the Chair of Peter and the Deposit of Faith. We will say to our children "look, this is the Chair of Peter and the Deposit of Faith. The Pope is not in it. " We will be in the faces of every bishop and priest, right in the pews on on the internet. There will be plenty of priests who will be with us. Enough refuges for our children. We have Christ's promises.

That's what we'll do because at the end of the day, our children will be reluctant to jump over into the Roman Sodom and Gomorrah. That is my job above everything else. To be a witness to the truth to the children in my care. Those are promises I have made to Christ. I am not breaking them. For any mortal. Even should a pope ask me to do so.

But it still gave him [Francis] the benefit of the doubt that it was not his intention to lead Christ's Church and people to embrace and practice heresy.

The day I knew was the day he [Francis] appointed Kasper to lead the Synod on the family and asked us to embrace and practice the heresy Kasper teaches.

There we have it straight from the horses mouth.

There is no miscommunication or misunderstanding possible. He appointed a heretic and asked the Church to embrace and practice it. The end.

While this Pope doesn't brew my cuppa tea, I'm not ready to throw him under the bus, either.

With all Christian charity, we can recognize that he may be cut from the same cloth as many of the liberals who re-invented the liturgy following Vatican II, but that doesn't positively identify him as the anti-christ, either.

We need to fast and pray for deliverance, but we cannot succumb to despair. St. Joseph, pray for us.

I'm for sure a fallen away Catholic....don't attend Mass as much as I should...practically not at all....I did receive my ashes on Ash Wednesday...something about the old quaint ways appeal to me...

having said that, I have tried to convince myself that the Pope was misquoted, that the translation wasn't correct, that his remarks are taken out of context...

but I think I caught all the innuendo, the putdowns, the dismissals of tradition, and all the wink-wink to the leftist crowd and they are all accurate....

I don't know if true Catholics can follow this Pope..

The day Francis opened the Vatican doors to the theologians who spearheaded the Marxist liberation theology I realized that hard times were coming to the Church and the faithful Catholics.

Pope Francis concocted the Obama/Castro Faustian pact condemning the Cuban people to eternal damnation and making the American taxpayers the sugar daddy that will keep afloat theCuban Stalinist regime

Pope Francis has a sui generis pedigree.

According to Cardinal Muller, the Prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the faith, and he himself a follower of liberation theology, pope Francis have close ties with that Marxist movement.

The Jesuits have been at the front lines of the expansion of the “liberation theology” throughout Latin America.

From “Dark REBELLION in the Church” - Jesuits, theology of liberation, Carmelites, Marianists and Socialists: the final complaint.” Ricardo de la Cierva. P. 11-13 “Your theology helps the transformation of Latin America more than millions of books on Marxism” Fidel Castro to Leonardo Boff and Frei Beto in the presence of the Spanish Bishop in Brazil, Pedro Casáldiga, C.M.F., who plays end the phrase in his book Nicaragua, combat and prophecy, Madrid, helped, 1986, p.134

“The Mission of the Jesuits in the third world is to create conflict. We are the only powerful group in the world that makes it.” César Jerez S. J., provincial of Central America 1976-1982, at a meeting of Jesuits in Boston, New England Jesuit News, April, 1973.

From the link I provide above:

Something I wanted to bring to your attention is the address that Pope Francis gave on Christmas day at noon during his “Urbi et Orbi” (to the city and to the world) blessing. He mentioned the babies in the womb, and his exact words in that section of his address were as follows:

“The Child Jesus. My thoughts turn to all those children today who are killed and ill-treated, be they infants killed in the womb, deprived of that generous love of their parents and then buried in the egoism of a culture that does not love life; be they children displaced due to war and persecution, abused and taken advantage of before our very eyes and our complicit silence. I think also of those infants massacred in bomb attacks, also those where the Son of God was born. Even today, their impotent silence cries out under the sword of so many Herods. On their blood stands the shadow of contemporary Herods. Truly there are so many tears this Christmas, together with the tears of the Infant Jesus.”

Now the broadcast of this involves a feed that comes from the Vatican, whereby you hear the Pope speaking in Italian, and then you hear a translator, who has the text in front of him, saying it in English. Interestingly, when it came to this particular paragraph, the translators skipped the words about the babies in the womb and about the modern day Herods and about the generous love of parents and the culture that does not love life. I could tell the translator was skipping something. Later, when I obtained the text of the talk from the Vatican website, I went back to the audio recording that I myself was making at that very moment that I was listening to it, and noticed in fact, the glaring omission. The rest of the entire talk was perfectly conveyed and nothing was missing.

Just amazing.

I will be where you are....until,....Kaspar wins, and by winning I mean when Kaspar wrangles things around to make marriage no longer a sacrament worthy of pristine piety, by instead handily distributing Holy Eucharist to those in mortal sin.

In this case, an illicitly remarried Catholic who is in a second “marriage”, while never receiving an annulment of his, or her, first marriage.

The illicit second marriage absent an annulment will still be mortal sin, but the Catholic can receive communion anyway.

To me, one of the last great witnesses left to the fallen world, is the stark understanding and practice that is held by only the Holy Roman Church that Holy Eucharist is never to be offered or received to one known to be in mortal sin.

Kaspar would have the married Catholic man, or woman, obtain a civil divorce from their spouse, and then remarry another, before obtaining a Tribunal annulment. And in this condition of illicit remarriage absent annulment, this Catholic will be encouraged, while in a state of mortal sin, to come forward and receive Holy Eucharist.

No. Way.

The Church becomes protestant of Herself, and a divided mind can not stand. Or something like that.

I do expect, by the grace of God, His intervention.

If the Pope can not, or will not, put a stop to the damage being attempted and arranged today against the laws of God and the Holy Roman Church, then God will intervene against this blasphemy and against those who promulgate it. Sacred Scripture assures it.

As for us, we prepare to be purified as by fire, as we endure until the end. We are His “little ones”. He will surely shepherd us home.

I’m kinda of your point of view, Montana. There is so much caricaturing of this Pope as a flaming liberal, a Communist, etc, etc. And yet his strong Pro-Life words, his strong defenses of marriage, etc, etc, show the portrayal of him to be a far leftist as inaccurate.

On the other hand, might he personally hold beliefs that take the Mercy thing too far in wanting to extend Holy Communion to Catholics divorced without an annulment? Possibly. Is he a moderate-conservative to the left of B16 and JP2? Probably.

Who knows but God how many Popes over 20 centuries have personally held erroneous views not of the mind of the Church on this or that. But they have NOT been permitted to formally, infallibly teach error. The teaching from Vatican I is that if a Pope tried to formally, infallibly teach error, the See of Peter becomes vacant.

Since having faith in the Holy Spirit to protect His Church is obviously not an option for those who claim to be Catholic while attacking constantly attacking both the Church and the pope, the best thing for such folks to do is to create multiple posting names.

That way they can try out various approaches ranging from subtle to egregiously absurd in order to gauge which approach is most entertaining for regular corps of anti-Catholic, anti-Christian, chatter boxes who claim to be some flavor of Protestant while denying what Christ Himself clearly states as a fact.

JMHo

The Church is not a personality cult. Its establishment, the cardinals, elected him. Like Obama, he did not seize his office, he was elected. He is a symptom of a disorder. The most prominent symptom is still just a symptom.

Although the author is a tad heated at times, I believe he gets that. The Church is afflicted.

We must pray for individual fools and even scoundrels, for we are all on one spectrum with them, all in need of Christ’s light on our path, in need of chastisement and mercy.

And after we pray we should, as the writer proposes, get up and DO something.

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