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I’m a Presbyterian Minister Who Doesn’t Believe in God
Patheos ^ | March 17, 2015 | John Shuck

Posted on 03/21/2015 7:33:01 PM PDT by hiho hiho

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To: A_perfect_lady
"I suspect the opposite is true. He was killed, and his later followers decided that this "must have been" part of a larger plan, and they "must have" misinterpreted everything he said while he was alive. Well, Paul, mostly."

…So then, speculation' that there might be some larger plan, they said "Ya shure, makes sense, let's die for this," and they went and got themselves crucified, killed in the arena by wild beasts, sawn in half, stoned to death, and drowned in rivers, ----for a bogus gospel.

An "explanation," perhaps, but not a serious one.

81 posted on 03/21/2015 10:23:52 PM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: hiho hiho

This Shuck character is nothing more than a grifter. He may be doing it under the auspices of the PCUSA, which is bad enough as a non-Christian worshiping “church”, but to claim to be a follower of Christ but not beclieve in God?

Hey, Shuck, if you think that much of yourself start your own religion. Your flock could shuck beans and participate in circle jerks all day. All under your loving gaze.


82 posted on 03/21/2015 10:24:46 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici ( Better a conservative teabagger than a liberal teabagee)
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To: Bryan24

I have another..He’s a fool.


83 posted on 03/21/2015 10:27:46 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: hiho hiho

Matthew 18:6


84 posted on 03/21/2015 11:09:25 PM PDT by struggle
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To: hiho hiho

My Jesus is already completely opposite to Islam’s version of Jesus... Two different guys, and in fact logically opposite.

Now this guy... What is he talking about? Not a Jesus I know... More like a lost soul wandering.


85 posted on 03/22/2015 12:06:14 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: hiho hiho

This is precisely the problem with the Presbyterian Church. I found out that not only did the national Church have a paid lobbyist in DC but that he had actively lobbied Congress for passage of the expensive mess called Obamacare. My local pastor is fine, but far too many have gone into leadership positions in the mainline Protestant churches because: 1) there is a lot of endowment money that funds shrinking local churches; 2) they can practice their “true” belief system which does not center on the Gospel but social issue leftism; and 3) they get a platform to proclaim these views.


86 posted on 03/22/2015 1:17:34 AM PDT by laconic
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To: Louis Foxwell
Religion is a human construct. Correct. Truth has little to do with religion unless that religion is based on the simple truth that God is the sovereign creator of the universe and Jesus the Christ is his incarnate son.

Yep - the "human construct" bit was the only accuracy in the article. Hard to believe the idjit actually resents being questioned when he claims to be a Christian when he doesn't believe that Jesus walked the Earth as God incarnate.

I consider religion to be a sinful construct because most religions include un-Biblical tenets that only seem to serve those who "run the place".

87 posted on 03/22/2015 4:57:27 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Politicalkiddo

What is it with Presbyterian ministers?

I know of an elderly lady who is very ill. She asked one to come to her house and pray for her salvation.
He came, but turned around and left without a prayer, an invitation to his ‘church- nothing, after about 3 minutes because ‘her house smelled of smoke and it was getting in his hair and clothes’.
Unforgivable and outrageous.


88 posted on 03/22/2015 5:04:16 AM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: trebb
I consider religion to be a sinful construct because most religions include un-Biblical tenets that only seem to serve those who "run the place".

Amen to that.

89 posted on 03/22/2015 5:23:44 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: NYer; Salvation; Gamecock; xzins; zot; SeekAndFind; Alex Murphy

I have heard of a Christian minister who didn’t believe in resurrection of our souls. And this minister sounds like one who was hired briefly by the congregation I grew up in many decades ago, until his actual preaching showed he didn’t really believe the bible. And he was a theology school graduate.

It is the 2,000 years of culture that Christianity has formed and nurtured that, unfortunately, given the freedom and protection from consequences for such as this “minister” to believe that ‘Christianity should change’ and also that many atheists I’ve met to believe that the society and culture of this country would exist without the existence and practice of Christianity


90 posted on 03/22/2015 6:11:42 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar; NYer; Salvation; Gamecock; xzins; zot; SeekAndFind; Alex Murphy

I just got the thought:

This man’s article is good for Pastor Search committees to have a copy of as “What not to look for in a ‘christian’ minister applying for the position. Or to be part of the interview process.


91 posted on 03/22/2015 6:16:46 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: hiho hiho; P-Marlowe; Gamecock

This minister is basically dishonest even though he says he’s up front with his congregation about this. If he were honest, he wouldn’t go along with participating in something he really sees as pointless.

Likewise, his people are dishonest. Why allow someone opportunity to delegitimize their faith?

Finally, why in the world would anyone support this? What exactly are they offering except an opportunity for the fleeced to be separated from their money?


92 posted on 03/22/2015 6:18:56 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It -- Those Who Truly Support Our Troops Pray for Their Victory!)
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To: GreyFriar

See #92


93 posted on 03/22/2015 6:19:24 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It -- Those Who Truly Support Our Troops Pray for Their Victory!)
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To: xzins

Amen.


94 posted on 03/22/2015 6:21:16 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: hiho hiho

“But I don’t appreciate being told that I’m not truly a Christian. “

If one does not accept that Christ is the son of the living God; if one does not accept that the Resurrection is truth; if one rejects the teachings of the Lord, then there is no logical claim to the term Christian. The man in the article (I categorically refuse to employ the term pastor, as not being a Christian, he cannot logically be a pastor...) is what we were warned of in the Scriptures as ‘ravening wolves’- servants of the enemy who are sent to lead people astray.


95 posted on 03/22/2015 6:22:37 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: cookcounty
…So then, speculation' that there might be some larger plan, they said "Ya shure, makes sense, let's die for this," and they went and got themselves crucified, killed in the arena by wild beasts, sawn in half, stoned to death, and drowned in rivers, ----for a bogus gospel.

Every movement has its martyrs. If willingness to die for a cause is proof of its truth, the muslims have us all beat. A more suicidal bunch of psychopaths I have never seen. But is that proof they are right? Of course not.

96 posted on 03/22/2015 6:25:57 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: GreyFriar

I was also 194th once upon a time at Knox, and at different time covered Giessen when with 53rd ASG as Family Life Chaplain.


97 posted on 03/22/2015 6:31:32 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It -- Those Who Truly Support Our Troops Pray for Their Victory!)
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To: laconic

There is probably a lot of grave spinning among those who endowed money to these churches seeing what they eventually funded.


98 posted on 03/22/2015 6:52:30 AM PDT by xp38
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To: laconic

There is probably a lot of grave spinning among those who endowed money to these churches seeing what they eventually funded.


99 posted on 03/22/2015 6:52:31 AM PDT by xp38
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To: laconic

There is probably a lot of grave spinning among those who endowed money to these churches seeing what they eventually funded.


100 posted on 03/22/2015 6:52:31 AM PDT by xp38
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