Posted on 03/22/2015 6:26:16 AM PDT by marshmallow
The blood last liquefied in a pope's presence in 1848
The blood of St Januarius liquefied in the presence of a pope for the first time since 1848 on Saturday.
The blood of the patron saint of Naples, which is normally solid, partially liquefied after Pope Francis kissed the relic during his day trip to the southern Italian city.
According to AFP, Cardinal Crescenzio Sepe of Naples showed the vial to the congregation in the city’s cathedral, saying: “The blood has half liquefied, which shows that St Januarius loves our Pope and Naples.”
(Excerpt) Read more at catholicherald.co.uk ...
I believe that Christ is the Rock of the Church. As far as the “holy lineage” we are all sons and daughters, a royal priesthood. Francis has no more standing than any saved believer.
But it was half-liquefied vs wholly liquefied with Pope Pius IX.
I believe that you are correct.
This is an assertion.
Reasonable people are usually convinced by arguments and facts.
As a Protestant, you may not have studied the miraculous tilma of Juan Diego and the mass conversion of millions of Aztecs in the sixteenth century.
The missionaries were all but overwhelmed by the endless multitudes clamoring for instruction and Baptism. Almost everywhere they traveled, entire families would come running out of their village, entreating them with signs to come and pour the water on their heads. When the numbers grew too numerous to cope with individually, the missionaries formed the men and women into two columns behind a cross-bearer. As they filed past the first priest, he briefly imposed on each the Oil of Catechumens. Holding lighted candles and singing a hymn, they would then converge on a second priest who stood beside the baptismal font. The columns would slowly wind back to the first priest where, with hands joined, husbands and wives would pronounce their marriage vows together, receiving the Sacrament of Matrimony.Does the devil inspire the desire for baptism?Several trustworthy contemporary writers note that one missionary, a Flemish Franciscan named Peter of Ghent, baptized with his own hands over 1,000,000 Mexicans! "Who will not recognize the Spirit of God in moving so many millions to enter the kingdom of Christ," wrote Fr. Anticoli, S.J., "and when we consider that there occurred no portent or other supernatural event ... to attract such multitudes, other than the apparitions of the Virgin, we may state with assurance that it was the Vision of the Queen of the Apostles that called the Indians to the Faith."
As far as the Shroud goes, many skeptical, atheistic scientists who have studied it first hand, have converted.
So maybe he is a “half-pope” with the anti-trad part being the counterfeit side? lol Or the saint could be wrong. Saints in heaven aren’t by themselves omnipotent/infallible/inerrant, right?
I don't even notice these kinds of posts any more. Not much there to see.
An example of a "tradition of men" would be Luther's doctrine of Sola Scriptura, which isn't found in the Bible.
Classical Greek philosophy would not be a good example of a bad human tradition, since the great Greek philosophers served truth, i.e., they served Jesus, implicitly.
Your philosophy is vanity, built on man's failed wisdom...
St. Paul believed that the Greeks were worshipping the One, True God, albeit with imperfect knowledge.
Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, “May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting? You are bringing some strange ideas to our ears, and we would like to know what they mean.” (All the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time doing nothing but talking about and listening to the latest ideas.)The Greeks had reasoned to the existence of God, but were ignorant of Christ, through no fault of their own. Then Paul preached Christ to them.Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: “People of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. So you are ignorant of the very thing you worship—and this is what I am going to proclaim to you.
St. Thomas and the other Scholastics sythesized Aristotelian philosophy and Christian Revelation to create the perennial Scholastic school of philosophy.
Every man is a philosopher, either good or bad. One cannot remain philosophically neutral. While the Church does not hold up a particular school of philosophy as binding on the conscience of Catholics, Scholasticism is the predominant philosophical school within Catholicism, and has withstood the test of time.
Listen to the audio. The announcer says, “In that moment the blood wasn’t liquid at all”.
I’ve never heard of a half-miracle before. Have you?
Ten minutes' research via Google (try looking up "transubstantiation") would have put the kibosh this simple misunderstanding.
Since you have been reading and writing on this Forum as long as I have --- since 1998 --- it is solidly probable that you have slogged through this same low level of discussion at least once before --- likely many times --- without troubling even to look up the meanings of the words.
I'm done. Just for friendliness' sake, I'll flex my biceps for you.
Jesus spoke simply to mankind in the Bible. When He said: “This is My Body,” I believe it, because Jesus said it and He meant what He said. God can do anything. Now if this is His Body, what part of His Body is the Host?
In year 700 there was a priest who had doubts of the real presence of Our Lord in the Most Blessed Sacrament. One day at Mass he prayed that his doubts would be removed. As he said the words Consecration the Host turned into Flesh and the Wine turned into Blood.
What type of Flesh and Blood was it? In 1970 the Holy See ordered a through scientific investigation using spectroscopic analysis, high powered microscopes and advanced medical technology. The most illustrious scientist, Professor Odoardo Linoli, eminent professor in anatomy and pathological and clinical microscopy, headed the investigation and was assisted by Professor Ruggero Bertellie of the University of Sienna. The investigation showed the Host had turned into flesh, into a fine slice of a human heart, and was incorrupt, as though it had just been taken form a heart.
The analyses were conducted with unquestionable scientific precision and were documented with a series of photographs, (these photographs can be seen on the Internet at http://www.acfp2000.com/Miracles/eucharistic.html which were made public by Professor Linoli on March 4, 1971 in the church of the miracle.
Other scientists were asked by the Holy See to verify these findings. When all of the data was accumulated, the scientists were in accord: “Without reservation, this is a slice of tissue from a human heart, as though it had been expertly sliced by a surgeon’s scalpel through the center of the heart. And, though subject to decay as all flesh is for 1298 years, it remains incorrupt.” These findings were published in September 1971 in the official newspaper of the Vatican, L’Osservatore Romano.
The Flesh and the Blood have the same blood type: AB uncovered in the Holy Shroud of Turin. In scientific testing the Blood tested as if it were fresh living blood after almost 1300 years.
Various ecclesiastical investigations were conducted since 1574.
In 1970-’71 and taken up again partly in 1981 there took place a scientific investigation by the most illustrious scientist Prof. Odoardo Linoli, eminent Professor in Anatomy and Pathological Histology and in Chemistry and Clinical Microscopy. Prof. Ruggero Bertelli of the University of Siena assisted him. The analyses were conducted with absolute and unquestionable scientific precision and they were documented with a series of microscopic photographs.
These analyses sustained the following conclusions:
*The Flesh is real Flesh. The Blood is real Blood.
*The Flesh and the Blood belong to the human species.
*The Flesh consists of the muscular tissue of the heart.
*In the Flesh we see present in section: the myocardium, the endocardium, the vagus nerve and also the left ventricle of the heart for the large thickness of the myocardium.
*The Flesh is a “HEART” complete in its essential structure.
*The Flesh and the Blood have the same blood type: AB (Blood type identical to that which Prof. Baima Bollone uncovered in the Holy Shroud of Turin).
*In the Blood there were found proteins in the same normal proportions (percentage-wise) as are found in the sero-proteic make-up of the fresh normal blood.
*In the Blood there were also found these minerals: chlorides, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, sodium and calcium.
*The preservation of the Flesh and of the Blood, which were left in their natural state for twelve centuries and exposed to the action of atmospheric and biological agents, remains an extraordinary phenomenon.
In conclusion, it may be said that Science, when called upon to testify, has given a certain and thorough response as regards the authenticity of the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano, Italy.
“No mention of Jesus in the article.”
God is never mentioned in the book of Esther or the Song of Songs - which are both books of the Bible. Why then would you expect every article to mention Jesus?
I believe in miracles...I have witnessed several first hand....
The difference here is I find it suspect that these miracles occur in the same timeframe every year...three times a year...
A miracle is a supernatural event...denoting the hand of God...
A supernatural event occurring on a timeframe looks contrived....
Add I might add...dried blood turning into a partial liquid state signifies exactly what?
Did the blind see, the lame walk, disease cured, a serious financial problem rectified in an instant...?
I’ve seen all of these things happen though the power of prayer...
-——Sounds more like a parlor trick...——
——Then you try it at home...——
Under the right conditions and a few chemicals it can be done....
Don’t forget to wear your safety glasses....!
As opposed to talking in tongues, snake handling, falling (or fainting) under the power, etc.
I don’t practice Snake Handling, tongues or being “slain in the spirit.” Nor do I worship idols nor handle bio waste of the “saints.”
Additionally, I’ve no time for “prosperity preachers” and “megachurches” as well.
This sounds like that “dustmote/plank” thing again.
I am a Catholic and we should all love one another as Christ loves us with absolute, unlimited, unfathomable love. Yet so often all I see here is fighting among people of the various Christian denoninations.
How about stopping the criticism and fighting of one another and just turning to love and supporting one another as Christ wants us to do.
I apologize for saying a pox on people or that they disgust me. That was a hateful thing to say, and wrong of me. I love you all and I just wish you all would stop fighting among yourselves. Christ loves all of us and there is room for all of us in His Church. We don’t need to constantly but down each other’s small differences in Christian beliefs.
Come together, love one another and please stop the constant bickering. That is not love as Christ wants us to do.
“I get very angry at this stuff...and I’m Catholic.”
Oh, here we go.
“This shatters my belief.”
How? How does that logically follow? Something that sure looks like a miracle happens - and people dare call it a miracle - and that shatters your belief? How can that be? What “belief” EXACTLY is being shattered? Jesus performed miracles. The Apostles performed miracles. Saints have performed miracles. As Catholics WE MUST BELIEVE THAT MIRACLES HAVE BEEN PERFORMED BY GOD. http://ccc.scborromeo.org.master.com/texis/master/search/?sufs=0&q=miracles&xsubmit=Search&s=SS
Now, if Catholics MUST believe that God performs miracles how can you say what looks like a miracle, and what people call a miracle, actually somehow shatters your “belief”? What “belief” is it that you had?
“If it doesn’t make sense, it’s a miracle?? Ignorance....”
Do you believe there has EVER been a miracle? As a Catholic YOU MUST BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE MIRACLES. How did any of the following “make sense”?:
- miraculous creation of the universe
- miraculous parting of the Red Sea
- miraculous raising of the dead men in the Valley of Bones
- miraculous raising of Lazarus from the dead
- miraculous raising of Jairus’ dead daughter
- miraculous healings performed by Jesus
- miraculous transfiguration of Jesus
- miraculous raising of Jesus from the dead
- Jesus miraculously appearing in the Upper Room when the doors were locked
- Jesus miraculously disappearing from the sight of the men he was breaking bread with in the inn on the road to Emmaus
- miraculous healings performed by Peter
Seriously, how do you “make sense” of all that? Do you conclude that none of it ever happened?
Satan does not lead people to Christ. Therefore, this miracle can’t be of demonic origin.
Do these “relics” focus on Jesus or on the presumed “saint?”
Ditto.
These are all considered, in the Catholic Church's terminology, "private revelation" (even if they happened in public). This is because they do not constitute part of the official Public Revelation which comes down to us from the Apostles, and which ceased at the death of the last Apostle.
That does not mean that miracles ceased with the last Apostle. It just means that one is free to accept a naturalistic interpretation, or ignore it altogether.
That would be over 50 per day for 50 years...He must have baptizing with both hands at the same time, and occasionally a foot thrown in...
I think that can be filed under 'mythology'...
Does the devil inspire the desire for baptism?
For people to get baptized because someone supposedly saw a ghost??? Or a statue with bleeding eyes??? Or a smear on a mirror, or a burnt piece of toast??? Or a person who claims they can turn a wafer into Jesus Christ??? Absolutely...People are gullible...
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