Praying of the Rosary Is NOT Bible-Based Teaching

The Disciplers ^ | 2011 | Ptr. Vince

[Seraphicaviary]

Yes I stand on it, as one who went to a RC seminary and was one semester short of being ordained to the priesthood.

The report of Bernadine is not binding. Many Catholics don’t know our own doctrine. The hierarchy has not said this was definitive teaching that is required by all believers. Try again.

[Resettozero]

I’ve seen how nasty your posts are about Jesus and Christianity before and would never confuse you as a Disciple of Christ

Depends on which Christ one believes and is a disciple. Many claim to be Christ and always have since the Lord Jesus Christ told us to beware and not follow the other Christs.

Discernment without the leading of the Holy Spirit who directed the writing of the Holy Bible and has protected it from destruction throughout these many years...without Him, how would anyone know anything for certain?

[Resettozero]

What cult would that be? Christian?

You've previously posted that your are not an RC. But you post like one who has been, is being, or is a candidate to be ensnared into a cultic mindset of posting on FR RF, IMO.

[Seraphicaviary]

Yes.. she is the Theotokos. There were big fights about this between the Greeks and Latins long ago, but it was resolved long before the Protestant churches came about.

If Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God. It is not rocket science.

[RnMomof7]

Is the bible confusing? On the one hand it says not to pray with vain repetitions like heathens. On the other hand it says “Pray like this ‘Our Father who is in heaven, holy is Your name....’”.

Jesus did not say "pray THIS" He said pray LIKE this..that is a pattern for prayer not a prayer

[DJ MacWoW]

I'm not Catholic. I've been in a Catholic church a handful of times. What I am is a member of the body of Christ watching members attack other members.

I spoke with my Pastor about these threads. He said not to waste my time as none of the attackers want to see what they're really doing to the body. He's right.

[DJ MacWoW]

And yet millions of Protestant churches repeat the Lord’s Prayer every Sunday morning word for word.

[Resettozero]

If Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God. It is not rocket science.

Yes He is. No she isn't. It isn't a question of science, rocket or otherwise, but of your faith you place in Mary that your post is true.

[Resettozero]

I spoke with my Pastor about these threads. He said not to waste my time as none of the attackers want to see what they're really doing to the body. He's right.

Episcopalian, United Methodist, PC-USA or another National Council of Churches demonination?

[Trapped Behind Enemy Lines]

Actually, in my Rosary which I pray every, the contents of it directly derived from the New Testament, primarily the Gospels. Let me break it down for you:

The Five Joyful Mysteries
1). The Annunciation to the Blessed Virgin Mary. Luke 1:32,38.
2) The Visitation. Luke 39-43
3) The Nativity of our Lord Jesus. Luke 2:7
4) The Presentation of our Lord Jesus. Luke 2:25-32
5) The Find of our Lord Jesus. Luke 2:46-50

The Five Luminous Mysteries
1) The Baptism of our Lord Jesus. Matthew 3:13-17
2) The Revelation of our Lord at the Wedding of Cana. John 2:2-10
3) The Proclamation of our Lord Jesus of the Kingdom of God and his Call for our Conversion. Mark 1:14-15
4) The Transfiguration of our Lord Jesus. Luke 9:28-35
5) Our Lord Jesus gives us the Eucharist. John 6:51-57

The Five Sorrowful Mysteries
1) The Agony of our Lord Jesus in the Garden. Mark 14:32-38
2) The Scourging of our Lord Jesus at the Pillar. John 19:1
3) The Crowning of or Lord Jesus with Thorns. Mark 15: 17-19
4) Our Lord Jesus Carries the Cross to Calvary. John 19:18
5) The Death of our Lord. Mark 15:33-38

The Five Glorious Mysteries
1) The Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. Mark 16:6-7
2) The Ascension of our Lord Jesus. Acts 1:7-9
3) The Descent of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:2-3
4) The Assumption of our Blessed Mother. 1 Thessalonians 4,14
5) The Coronation of Mary. Revelation 12:1

Now, since this all comes straight from the Bible, I have no problem with it.

Although some of my fellow Catholics don’t like when I say that marriage among the clergy is permissible. 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and that you do not have to confess your sins to a priest, James 5:16, you can confess them to others.

[DJ MacWoW]

No denomination. Our doctrine is only the Bible.

[Resettozero]

It seems you are a student of the right subject matter but with wrong teachers at the wrong school.

[Zathras]

I respectfully suggest it is the Catholics who need to address Catholic issues.
All denominations need to stop pointing fingers at others and fix their own house first.

FR shouldn’t be a religious battleground.
This will only cause further divisions within the Conservative Base.

[Resettozero]

No denomination. Our doctrine is only the Bible.

Why then do you defend Roman Catholicism against your brothers and sister in Christ? What manner of doctrine have you been taught?

[ealgeone]

Yes I stand on it, as one who went to a RC seminary and was one semester short of being ordained to the priesthood. The report of Bernadine is not binding. Many Catholics don’t know our own doctrine. The hierarchy has not said this was definitive teaching that is required by all believers. Try again.

While it may not be binding it is representative of a lot of thinking and writing regarding the roman catholic Mary.

You probably believe Mary was sinless, a perpetual virgin, etc in spite of what the Bible teaches.

[Trapped Behind Enemy Lines]

This may also come as a complete shock to some of my fellow Catholics. I first learned that Jesus had brothers and sisters in a Bible study class taught by a Catholic priest in a Catholic church. When we went over the passages mentioning Jesus’s brothers and sisters, the priest did not put any spin on it or make up any yarns, like oh the Bible meant to say cousins, or here’s another whopper, oh they were Joseph’s children from a previous marriage. I am grateful to this day the priest taught the Bible as it is written without making up any tales in order to conform to an ideology or dogma.

[Lonely Bull]

It asks Mary to “pray for us”, which you should ask of everyone you know. Do you tell everyone you know “Don’t pray for me.. I will take care of it myself!”?

A certain logical consistency would demand this response out of everyone who uses "one mediator" (1 Timothy 2:5) in such a way as to forbid intercession by people who aren't exactly Jesus (cf. 1 Timothy 2:1).

At least to my mind, a stronger objection would be the whole idea of "talking to dead people" or that requesting the prayers of those who have died does not enjoy the scriptural support that exists for requesting the prayers of those who are still living. (Yes, I'm aware of counter-arguments.) Even so, for some reason "one mediator!" seems to appear more often in my experience. And yet no one seems to use it to discourage (or interrupt) threads requesting prayer. If "one mediator" means what some people says, they should.

I see no difference, in terms of "one mediator," between asking the "living" for their prayers and asking the "dead" for their prayers. If asking the most famous Mary for prayers would betray some lack in trust in Jesus as the one mediator, then asking Mary Smith for prayers at the Wednesday evening prayer meeting would also betray some lack of trust in Jesus as the one mediator.

The same Paul who wrote "one mediator" prayed for others and asked others to pray for him in multiple letters (for example, Romans 15:30, Ephesians 6:19, Colossians 4:3, 1 Thessalonians 5:25, 2 Thessalonians 3:1). I see no indication that his position had changed between other writings and 1 Timothy (let alone between 1 Timothy 2:1 and 1 Timothy 2:5). Colossians 4:12 reads, "Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God." It does not read "Epaphras, who is one of you, is always labouring fervently for you in prayers, but he is a fool because there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

Christ Jesus seemingly would have us pray for others who "despitefully use" us (Matthew 5:44, Luke 6:28) and didn't forbid us from praying for them because "there is one mediator."

[Resettozero]

FR shouldn’t be a religious battleground. This will only cause further divisions within the Conservative Base.

Yes it should on this special Religion Forum set aside for those FReepers who wish to defend the faith handed down through this church age. There are significant disagreements and always have been on FR RF regarding the Truth as opposed to that which has been fabricated by men.

This matter is more important than the current political Republican Party unity of "conservatives".

[DJ MacWoW]

Because Catholics are also believers and part of the body but some are too narrow-minded to realize it. Maybe I see beyond what brick and mortar building they enter. Maybe I look to see if they profess Christ as the Savior who died and shed His blood for their salvation.

PCUSA just voted for homosexual "marriage". Are you posting threads and attacking Presbyterians as heretics? If not, why not? Where are the anti-Presbyterian threads? Or the anti-Episcopal threads? You know why not? Because the individuals in those churches love Christ....the same as Catholics.

[avenir]

You’d think Catholic and Protestant FReepers could have firm agreement that these apparitions are CLEARLY demonic, regardless of other affections around Mary. I’ve heard a lot of nonsense “channeling” claiming to be a message from God. If it restates Scripture—which is NOT “just a book” and which is now complete whereas it was not—then we DO NOT need it. If it counters Scripture it is under a curse.