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1 in 4 Americans Don't Believe in God; Lack of Trust in Local Churches Cited as a Reason
Christian Post ^ | 03/26/2015 | BY STOYAN ZAIMOV ,

Posted on 03/26/2015 4:46:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

> I fall into the category of lack of trust in Churches. The article itself points out that current church practices are a “social service” industry with a focus on fund raising.

While it may seem that way in some churches a lot of the funding is for noble cause such as assisting people by providing food, clothing, homeless shelters and paying their bills when they have shortages due to a job loss or a loss in the family. I’m one of the people involved in that type ministry. When fund raising is for self-enrichment thats when its being done for the wrong reason.


21 posted on 03/26/2015 5:52:40 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: OldNavyVet

Good point. Most don’t believe in a literal six day creation anymore.

Which begs the question, if one cannot believe in a literal six day creation, why would one believe in a virgin birth?

What’s more fantastic? Fact is I would guess most must believe the majority of the bible to be just a bunch of nonsense when you think about it; giants, world flood, the parting of the Red Sea, Jonah and whale, etc..

I say this with a heavy heart, but while “knowledge” has increased, faith seems lacking, and we, as in our country, are in a downhill slide.


22 posted on 03/26/2015 6:00:50 PM PDT by gettinolder
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To: OldNavyVet

“More consequences for thought and action follow the affirmation or denial of God than from answering any other basic question.”

- Mortimer Adler

And I notice that the “modern knowledge” answer to the God question is just as inadequate among naturalists as it was in the day of Epicurus.


23 posted on 03/26/2015 6:12:13 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: gettinolder

As far as I can remember I’ve never encountered a skeptic who demonstrates an understanding of the very basic logic that if there is a God who created the Universe, then that God would be able to accomplish the other events you mention.


24 posted on 03/26/2015 6:17:16 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: gettinolder

In other words, you’ve got to get your thinking in order. The first premise to accept or reject is the big premise—that of God’s existence.

Denial of any of the other events you mention require first denying the big premise. So I can’t think of a single atheist argument able to escape the death sentence of circular reasoning.


25 posted on 03/26/2015 6:25:58 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: SeekAndFind

these people pretty much all vote D


26 posted on 03/26/2015 6:39:56 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: reasonisfaith
"As far as I can remember I’ve never encountered a skeptic who demonstrates an understanding of the very basic logic that if there is a God who created the Universe, then that God would be able to accomplish the other events you mention."

That has not been my experience.

27 posted on 03/26/2015 6:41:29 PM PDT by gettinolder
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To: jsanders2001

We have a duty to help individuals with food, drink & clothing. Interestingly Christ rarely dealt with Social issues and political issues.(I’m aware he told his disciples not to go to the gentiles and said “render unto Caesar the things which are Caesars.” Most of his commandments dealt with interactions between individuals.


28 posted on 03/26/2015 6:43:37 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: jsanders2001

Recently it was reported that there was the pastor that wanted each of his “flock” to give him $350 so he could buy a private jet.


29 posted on 03/26/2015 6:45:36 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

> We have a duty to help individuals with food, drink & clothing. Interestingly Christ rarely dealt with Social issues and political issues.(I’m aware he told his disciples not to go to the gentiles and said “render unto Caesar the things which are Caesars.” Most of his commandments dealt with interactions between individuals.

Good thing Caesar’s no longer alive...: )


30 posted on 03/26/2015 7:01:41 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: gettinolder
I say this with a heavy heart

Me too, but in remembering those days Galileo spent at home-arrest for arguing against scripture ... and Joan of Arc's execution for wearing men's clothing ... facts are now being realized.

31 posted on 03/26/2015 7:29:42 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (http://sunsetridgemsbiology.wikispaces.com/file/view/Darwins+Ghost.pdf)
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To: OldNavyVet

I want to weigh my answer so I don’t offend you or others here, but my heavy heart is not due to loss of childhood beliefs in stories from the bible, but rather feeling like the last man standing when acknowledging that I believe God did create the earth in six days.

I don’t place my salvation on it however, nor that of others, but how does a little child reconcile the bible in their heart and trust it’s words if accepted science says the very first story in it is taken out of context or interpreted wrong, as in a six day creation?

To my knowledge it is still taught in Sunday schools, I would think anyway. Maybe...

Tough questions, no easy answers.


32 posted on 03/26/2015 8:01:55 PM PDT by gettinolder
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To: Secret Agent Man
interpretation of data

Take a look at my tagline ... It is a free online book, and it's easy to look up "Index" stuff.

33 posted on 03/26/2015 8:06:32 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (http://sunsetridgemsbiology.wikispaces.com/file/view/Darwins+Ghost.pdf)
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To: Secret Agent Man

The page up and page down keys let you get around inside the book ... especially the index ... available via my tagline.


34 posted on 03/26/2015 8:26:12 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (http://sunsetridgemsbiology.wikispaces.com/file/view/Darwins+Ghost.pdf)
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To: SeekAndFind

Lack of Trust in Local Churches Cited as a Reason


That`s it,I`ve heard it all now.


35 posted on 03/26/2015 8:30:05 PM PDT by ravenwolf (s letters scripture.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We'll use taxes and the IRS to control the church and we will control the messages from those churches for the next 100 years!

36 posted on 03/26/2015 9:08:12 PM PDT by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: gettinolder

There is no offense in being open and honest, but one big fact is that scientists now tell us that Earth’s age is about 4.5 billion years. That number is based on moon rocks picked up by astronauts some years ago.


37 posted on 03/26/2015 9:20:53 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (http://sunsetridgemsbiology.wikispaces.com/file/view/Darwins+Ghost.pdf)
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To: OldNavyVet

Moon rocks? OK, how about moon dust? How thick should it be at the present accumulation rate if the earth is 4.5 billion years old?

How would those same scientists reconcile that?


38 posted on 03/26/2015 10:19:42 PM PDT by gettinolder
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To: elcid1970
Agnostics should not be lumped together with atheists.

There’s hope for agnostics.

I was an agnostic and now I am saved....

In God's world, even atheists have hope. Some of the bets apologetics folks are ex-atheists who set out to prove there was no God. In their researches, they became convinced that He does indeed exist..

39 posted on 03/27/2015 3:24:23 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb

Yes, you’re right that for some atheists their “failure to reject the null hypothesis” (that God is) leads them logically to belief in Him.

I guess I’m referring to the in-your-face anti-theists who spend all their energy hating what according to them doesn’t even exist.

We were taught in Catholic school in the 9th grade that “man can prove the existence of God by reason alone”.


40 posted on 03/27/2015 5:23:58 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My bullets are dipped in pig grease.")
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