Posted on 03/29/2015 4:16:53 PM PDT by NYer
Observation on the above quote: "Roman Catholics" not capitalised. "Book of Mormon," "Koran," yes.
We have no "burden of proof" since 1. We are not sola scriptura; 2. The verses we quote to support Mary as our Mother and Intercessor are not accepted by dissenters as being validly interpreted; 3. Those who don't wish to believe have a free will not to do so. Their choice, but when Catholics see Mary attacked in forum as in other threads, of course we'll defend her!
God bless you, E!
"Carte blanche"? Hardly. There is a huge difference between the above quote and the idea that God and our Salvation history are limited to literal, sometimes word-by word, often self-interpretation of Scripture. Again, often a rejected verse in these discussions, John the Evangelist himself said that not everything Jesus did could ever be written.
Again, Catholic in lower case, "Book of Mormon" and Koran on caps...
Fixed it for you
Now why would anyone want to join an organization that didn't support or stand for that?
Because the palaver that prots keep saying simply is not true. The Catholic Church is the only Church begun by Jesus Christ. Further remember what Martin Luther said if it weren't for the Catholic Church prots would not even have a Bible.
Put that in the prot pipe and smoke it.
A real CONVERSION story indeed! God Bless him!
It was the Catholic Church that gave the world the Holy Bible!
BOTH confession and belief in Christ is what HEALS.
Thank you; Yes I know that is why I said that.
You need a history lesson...the Jews had the Bible long before catholics...it’s just nonsense to keep peddling “the catholic church gave the world the bible”.
If you want to be correct...the Spirit of God gave us the Bible....His Word, He’s the Author.
The Holy Spirit also WORKS through people.
The Jewish people had what we would call the OT as a people,but once Christ came,and afterwards the spread of the Christian faith centuries later it was the Church that put the Bible together at last.
So I am not wrong.
God is clear about going beyond what is written....
“Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that in us you might learn not to exceed what is written, in order that no one of you might become arrogant in behalf of one against the other.” (1 Cor. 4:6).
Catholic Church teachings such as purgatory, penance, indulgences, and Mary worship go beyond what is written...
The Roman Catholic Church was not really around as an organization in the first couple hundred years of the Christian Church.... The Christian church was under persecution, and official church gatherings were very risky in the Roman Empire due to the persecution.....
.... Catholicism, as an organization with a central figure located in Rome, did not occur for quite some time in spite of its claim they can trace the papacy back to Peter.
Further....the Christian Church recognized what was Scripture. It did not establish it. This is a very important point........ The Christian Church recognizes what God has inspired and pronounces that recognition. ..... In other words, it discovers what is already authentic.
.... Jesus said “my sheep hear my voice and they follow me . . . “ (John 10:27). The body of believers hears the voice of Christ; that is, it recognizes what is inspired, and it follows the word..... It does not add to it as the Roman Catholic Church has done. .... Therefore, it is not following the voice of Christ.
In addition.... the Roman Catholic Church did not give us the Old Testament which is the Scripture to which Christ and the apostles appealed. ... If the Roman Catholic Church wants to state that it gave us the Bible, then how can they rightfully claim to have given us the Old Testament which is part of the Bible? It didn’t, so it cannot make that claim.
Also ...when the apostles wrote the New Testament documents, they were inspired by ‘the power of the Holy Spirit’. There wasn’t any real issue of whether or not they were authentic. Their writings did not need to be deemed worthy of inclusion in the Canon of Scripture by a later group of men in the so-called Roman Catholic Church.... To make such a claim is, in effect, to usurp the natural power and authority of God himself that worked through the Apostles.
Scripture says,.... “But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” (2 Pet. 1:20-21).
.... The Bible tells us that the Scriptures are inspired by the Holy Spirit. Therefore, the very nature of the inspired documents is that they carry power and authenticity ‘in themselves’. ....They are not given the power or the authenticity of ecclesiastical declaration.
It was the Jews who gave us the Old Testament. The authenticity of the New Testament documents rests in the inspiration of God through the apostles—not the Catholic Church.
Furthermore, the Roman Catholic Church did not give us the Old Testament. The Jews did...... How can the RCC claim it gave us the Bible when it did not give us the Old Testament?
When the Catholic Church claims that it is the source of the sacred Scriptures, it is, in effect, placing itself above the Word of God by claiming that through its authority we received the Word of God.
https://carm.org/did-roman-catholic-church-give-us-our-bible
No they are not. Catholicism has used allegory to see these.
Mary had children with Joseph so the dogma of perpetual virginity is out.
Mary confessed she needed a Savior and offered the sin sacrifice after the birth of Christ so her immaculate conception is out. Catholic apologists have even admitted there is NO SCRIPTURAL support for this.
We have no record if Mary died a natural death or not. Catholicism has "assumed" (pardon the pun) she was taken up though we have no record of this.
The first two can, and have been proven, to be incorrect from a Biblical perspective. That leads me to believe the assumption is also wrong. In either case there is no conclusive proof. In situations like these it is best to go with the natural flow of life. Mary died and was buried in a normal manner.
It cracks me up with catholics lean on Luther one day and the next day consider him the worst thing in the world.
Wonderful Thanks!
Glad I could brighten your day a little bit with the truth.
This article in detail about the Catholic Church and the Bible:
http://www.catholicbridge.com/catholic/bible_catholics.php
Again the Holy Spirit WORKS in and through the people He inspires.
Accept this as a gentle correcting.
I do not read catholic literature as these are always twisted to say something other than , or in addition to what is written Jesus would have us to know.
Try again....without using catholic literature.
BTW you cannot correct what is true....you can only reveal falsehood for what it is by attempting to do so.
>Now why would anyone want to join an organization that didn't support or stand for that?<
Because the palaver that prots keep saying simply is not true. The Catholic Church is the only Church begun by Jesus Christ. Further remember what Martin Luther said if it weren't for the Catholic Church prots would not even have a Bible.
Put that in the prot pipe and smoke it.
Temper, temper, temper.
When the facts are against you verga, the name calling comes out!
I leave you with this.
http://www.examiner.com/article/catholic-101-why-does-the-catholic-bible-differ-from-other-bibles
When the facts are against you verga, the name calling comes out!
Mind reading is against the rules. BTW if you used the dictionary, you would realize that Palaver is not name calling
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