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Church braces for same-sex marriage decision (from SCOTUS)
OSV ^ | April 9, 2015 | RUSSELL SHAW

Posted on 04/09/2015 2:32:15 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 04/09/2015 2:32:15 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; Salvation; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 04/09/2015 2:32:56 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

prepare for disobedience

I want to see rioting


3 posted on 04/09/2015 2:33:53 PM PDT by GeronL (CLEARLY CRUZ 2016)
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To: NYer

Prediction: 5-4 in favor of fag marriage. Kennedy casts the swing vote.


4 posted on 04/09/2015 2:33:54 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne (The night is far spent, the day is at hand.- Romans 13:12)
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To: Dr. Thorne

6-3 is my bet. Stupid Roberts is a screw-up turncoat.


5 posted on 04/09/2015 2:34:48 PM PDT by Politicalkiddo ("The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: NYer

If they are trying to force NON-501-3c Business to cater gay weddings against their will, they will certainly try to force churches who get a 501-3c handout from the fed gov in terms of tax breaks to do what they tell them to do.


6 posted on 04/09/2015 2:34:49 PM PDT by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: NYer

States: get ready to reject and nullify this unconstitutional federal act.

Churches and individuals should do the same, but will need the help of their state to support them.

Federal acts outside the limits of the Constitution are valid and are acts of tyranny. It’s time to stand up to them on constitutional grounds.


7 posted on 04/09/2015 2:35:50 PM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: Dr. Thorne
Kennedy casts the swing vote.

Yeah, I'm half expecting that Kennedy swings the other way.

8 posted on 04/09/2015 2:35:51 PM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: NYer

Marches only matter if they are covered by the MSM.


9 posted on 04/09/2015 2:36:21 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: PapaNew

states won’t be allowed to reject it, courts will always rule against them now.


10 posted on 04/09/2015 2:36:52 PM PDT by GeronL (CLEARLY CRUZ 2016)
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To: GeronL

No need to riot yet. States simply need to get ready to reject and nullify this unconstitutional federal act. Churches and individuals should do the same, but will need the help of their state to support them.

Federal acts outside the limits of the Constitution are valid and are acts of tyranny. It’s time to stand up to them on constitutional grounds.


11 posted on 04/09/2015 2:37:40 PM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: NYer

If the Church caves (and I don’t think it will), I’ll have to return to the Russian Orthodox as my mother did in the 70s. She dragged us many miles for that.


12 posted on 04/09/2015 2:38:27 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: GraceG

churches should be unregistered


13 posted on 04/09/2015 2:39:08 PM PDT by GeronL (CLEARLY CRUZ 2016)
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To: PapaNew

how many states have defied court rulings on this subject so far??


14 posted on 04/09/2015 2:41:18 PM PDT by GeronL (CLEARLY CRUZ 2016)
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With all these small mom and pop bakeries and wedding shops getting attacked by this nonsense, I have a legitimate question. Maybe there is an attorney on the board that wants to comment on this idea.

Let’s say I own a bakery. In a very prominent position where it can be seen by all, I locate a sign that says the following:

“We are a Christian establishment, believing in the principal that marriage can ONLY exist between a man and a woman. However since the government has chosen to twist this definition into an unimaginable paradox, we are forced to perform services for what are called homosexual marriages. We will comply fully with this requirement. In the interest of full disclosure, we will also tell you that 100% of the profit derived from services provided to homosexual couples will be donated to one of the following organizations:

National Organization for Marriage
Americans for Truth about Homosexuality
Traditional Values Coalition
Family Watch International

Your dollars will do a lot of good in helping to stop this abomination. Have a Blessed day!”

I don’t see that any ‘laws’ have been broken since I am fully agreeing to serve them. I have not refused anything and what I do with the profits of my business is my call. And as far as the religious beliefs go, nothing I can do can stop them from being ‘married’ since that is controlled by the civil authorities. I am helping sinners contribute to organizations that can help prevent their sinning in the future. That would seem to be a worthwhile Christian endeavor.

My guess is the vast majority of homosexual couples would read the sign and walk out – which is also a worthwhile outcome!


15 posted on 04/09/2015 2:41:24 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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states won’t be allowed to reject it, courts will always rule against them now

The states constitutionally don't need the feds permission to reject their illegal and unconstitutional acts whether the act is by federal court or not.

16 posted on 04/09/2015 2:44:58 PM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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It’s a tax! /Roberts


17 posted on 04/09/2015 2:47:17 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (ANYBODY BUT FRICKING JEB)
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To: GeronL

The states haven’t been pushed they way they have during the Obama regime.

Arizona has just passed a law allowing the state to reject unconstitutional federal law.

It will happen when enough people of a state decide ENOUGH already.


18 posted on 04/09/2015 2:51:16 PM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: GeronL

churches should be unregistered

I agree, if I were running a church i would either openly defy the 5013c crap by talking about anything I wanted to at the pulpit, OR... Dropping the non-profit bit completely!

Ideally i would flaunt the fact the church was NOT under any gruebermint control.


19 posted on 04/09/2015 2:52:13 PM PDT by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: miss marmelstein; NYer
The Church will not cave in the full and formal sense, but there are already tons of prominent Catholics (healthcare providers and other employers, schools/universities, social services, and unfortunately, some bishops) who will be willing to act as if the Catechism is only of scholarly or academic interest, quite distinct from what they like to call, in warm, buttery tones, "pastoral practice", and Canon Law is a dead letter.

In other words, they will ceaselessly take the line of least resistance.

It's up to us to resist, and to instantly, vocally,and substantively support those who are resisting.

20 posted on 04/09/2015 2:53:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Seriously.)
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