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Turkey Anger at Pope Francis Armenian 'Genocide' Claim
BBC ^ | 4/12/15

Posted on 04/12/2015 6:28:47 AM PDT by marshmallow

Turkey has summoned the Vatican ambassador after Pope Francis used the word "genocide" to describe mass killing of Armenians under Ottoman rule in WW1 100 years ago.

The foreign ministry requested a meeting with the Vatican's envoy in Ankara, Turkish media reported.

Armenia and many historians say up to 1.5 million people were systematically killed by Ottoman forces in 1915.

Turkey has consistently denied that the killings were genocide.

The Pope's comments came at a service in Rome to honour a 10th Century mystic, attended by Armenia's president.

The dispute has continued to sour relations between Armenia and Turkey.

'Bleeding wound'

The Pope first used the word genocide for the killings two years ago, prompting a fierce protest from Turkey.

At Sunday's Mass in the Armenian Catholic rite at Peter's Basilica, he said that humanity had lived through "three massive and unprecedented tragedies" in the last century.

"The first, which is widely considered 'the first genocide of the 20th Century', struck your own Armenian people," he said, in a form of words used by a declaration by Pope John Paul II in 2001.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Islam; Orthodox Christian
KEYWORDS: armenia; armeniangenocide; california; nancypelosi; popefrancis; romancatholicism; turkey; waronterror

1 posted on 04/12/2015 6:28:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Armenian civilians are marched to a nearby prison in Mezireh by armed Turkish soldiers. Kharpert, Ottoman Empire, April 1915.
Armenian children and infants were lined up with their heads 50 in a row
So the Turks see how far bullets would travel through infant brain.

2 posted on 04/12/2015 6:38:55 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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To: marshmallow

In this very interesting book, a young Armenian-American woman (family exiled from Iran) spent several years living in Turkey, wondering whether Armenians and Turks could get to understand one another. She found that, No, they could not. The programming in Turkey is intense.

Her final anecdote, as she's taking a taxi to the airport to leave Turkey, has the Turkish cab driver asking if Israel - the country they love to hate - is populated by Armenians.

3 posted on 04/12/2015 6:48:22 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a radical feminist. Galatians 3:28)
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To: marshmallow

The Armenian holocaust should serve as another example and opportunity to warn of victim disarmament followed by government Democide.

Of course, the Pope and Turkish officials agree on one thing; only governments should have guns.


4 posted on 04/12/2015 6:48:23 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats & GOPe delenda est. President zero gave us patient zero.)
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To: marshmallow
Turkish man teasing starving Armenian children with bread...


5 posted on 04/12/2015 6:53:23 AM PDT by Popman (Christ Alone: My Cornerstone...)
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To: Popman

6 posted on 04/12/2015 7:04:58 AM PDT by Popman (Christ Alone: My Cornerstone...)
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To: marshmallow
Pope Francis spoke out against the killing of Christians (Nigeria, Egypt, Libya, Iraq, etc) in strong terms on Palm Sunday, Holy Thursday, Good Friday, Holy Saturday, Easter, and at the vigil of Divine Mercy Sunday. That's at least six times in the past 2 weeks not counting some spontaneous remarks to the press.) And now this on the Armenian Genocide.

But who is listening?

7 posted on 04/12/2015 8:00:56 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. -Jn 16:2)
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To: grumpygresh; marshmallow
According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, individuals have a right and a duty to protect their own lives when in danger, and someone who "defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow."

Tagline courtesy of George Orwell.

8 posted on 04/12/2015 8:07:50 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The rifle in the cottage is the symbol of democracy. It's our job to see that it stays there. Orwell)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Any comment from Nancy Pelosi? Oh, I forgot, the POTUS isn't Republican.

9 posted on 04/12/2015 8:32:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: Popman

By the way, I researched that crucifixion photo. It’s fake. It is a scene from a silent film based on a book written by a young woman who managed to survive. She said the truth was even worse and simply couldn’t be communicated during that era. She waited until she was very old to say the truth, was that they were all raped and then they were vaginally impaled on a sharpened post that was planted in the ground.
The carpentry in building crosses was too time consuming.


10 posted on 04/12/2015 9:13:36 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
And just how many times did Francis specifically identify muslims as the perpetrators of the mass killings?

Pope Francis just released a bull where he praises the "mercy" practiced by members of Islam.

Among the privileged names that Islam attributes to the Creator are “Merciful and Kind.” This invocation is often on the lips of faithful Muslims who feel themselves accompanied and sustained by mercy in their daily weakness. They too believe that no one can place a limit on divine mercy because its doors are always open.

11 posted on 04/12/2015 9:17:03 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Did not know that. Does that catechism also include that one may have a right and duty to protect another person from a similar danger? Especially the weaker among us? Like elderly or women, children?


12 posted on 04/12/2015 9:18:49 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: ebb tide
And just how many times did Francis specifically identify muslims as the perpetrators of the mass killings?

Anyone who knows even a tiny particle about the history of the era and the culture of the region knows that the perps were Turks, and that the Turks have been Muslim for 1000 years or so.

13 posted on 04/12/2015 9:45:48 AM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion

So why does everybody acknowledge that except Obama and Francis?


14 posted on 04/12/2015 9:53:38 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: DesertRhino
Here's what I found in the Catechism (LINK, para 2265)

"Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility."

I personally think that the father of a family has a right and under Natural Law to protect and defend his family, and I would go so far as to say an neighbor has the right and duty to use force, even lethal force, to stop an aggressor who is aggressing against his neighbor, broadly construed. It's a corollary of "love your neighbor."

However I am not sure how this plays out in terms of magisterial teaching. It seems that the magisterial teachings assume that in ordinary times, these functions can safely be reserved to the civil government. However, there are places and times in which this clearly not the case.

Interesting note, there is a popular Patron Saint for gun-owners: St. Gabriel Possenti.

15 posted on 04/12/2015 9:56:27 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic information)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Some may object that Pope Francis has praised mercy shown by Muslims. (The Kurdish Defence Force --- Sunni Muslims--- which rescued thousands of Chaldean Christians and Yashidis comes to mind.)

I would think it's OK to praise mercy wherever and in whomever it is found. Jesus praised the mercy of the Samaritan: a member of a group who had some "wrong" Scriptures and worshipped God on the "wrong" mountain, as I remember it.

16 posted on 04/12/2015 10:01:11 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic information)
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To: DesertRhino

Maybe that picture can be considred a reminder of those who were martyred for their faith in Jesus.

Not surprised that the woman in question had to hold back on what really took place, because it was so grusome that it could never, ever be brought up with out people being sicken by the horrors.


17 posted on 04/12/2015 3:00:35 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: marshmallow
The Pope first used the word genocide for the killings two years ago, prompting a fierce protest from Turkey.

And, everyone else calls it that as well.

18 posted on 04/12/2015 7:05:38 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (I beat wasp nests with a stick for fun.)
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