Posted on 04/20/2015 2:54:48 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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As I mentioned in another related thread, if one looks closely at the image one will see an UPRIGHT man, NOT a man LYING DOWN. In addition, the man is suspended in mid-air.
I’m Catholic and, although I believe in No Salvation Outside of the Catholic Church, I’m scratching my head at this comment too. Not sure how he made this jump.
“the grave cloth of Christ, which is the Holy Shroud of Turin, will be on public display. Only five years after the most recent exhibition, pilgrims will be able to venerate the holy linen cloth in the cathedral of Turin again.”
Translation...
“We like to think the the Shroud of Turin is the grave cloth of Christ. Only five years after the most recent exhibition, pilgrims will be able to bow down and idolize the holy linen cloth in the cathedral of Turin again.”
So in what sense is it an idol?
If you were able to behold the burial (and resurrection)cloth of Christ, how would you respond to it? What feelings might you have?
“Nobody prays to the shroud.”
This you cannot know without being omniscient.
“Nobody thinks that the shroud is god, or a god.”
They apparently believe it is a talisman or has power to bring them closer to God. It has no power.
“The shroud isn’t the image of a false god, at least if you are a Christian. It’s either the image of an ordinary man, or it’s the image of the God-man.”
Any image of any created thing that is set up and prayed to, adored, etc. is an idol.
“If you were able to behold the burial (and resurrection)cloth of Christ, how would you respond to it? What feelings might you have?”
I did not. I cannot.
It is an argument from silence that presupposes the shroud is legit.
Sorry that didn’t make sense. Try to respond to this hypothetically. Imagine you are at the tomb on Sunday morning and you behold the burial cloth of Christ. What would you think and what would you feel?
Don’t confuse them..Rome is a “mystical “ religion
Just read the scripture.. a “napkin’ was placed over the face of the dead.. they were not wrapped like the shroud
“Sorry that didn’t make sense.”
I agree. It was a nonsensical question that was hypothetically impossible.
“Try to respond to this hypothetically.”
No it is impossible because of a li’l thing called time.
“Imagine you are at the tomb on Sunday morning and you behold the burial cloth of Christ. What would you think and what would you feel?”
Again, this has nothing to do with bowing down, kissing, sneaking pieces, etc. of the purported shroud of turin to get closer to God. It presupposed the legitimacy of the shroud, which can never be proved. Nor does ginning up emotion add authenticity.
Have you even read about the Shroud and the testing , etc? Or have you just concluded it’s not real?
Are you suggesting that Jewish custom was to bury the dead nude (except for the face cloth)?
I’ve read about it. It can not be proven to be real. If it were real, it would still have no power to bring one closer to God.
The same way you can not know whether folks "worship" or "idolize" the cloth without being omniscient.
Ah, but you must read more closely.
“The same way you can not know whether folks “worship” or “idolize” the cloth without being omniscient.
I did not claim to know what happens inside their mind or heart, only their outward actions. I wrote this...
“They *apparently believe* it is a talisman or has power to bring them closer to God. It has no power.”
Pinging you if I’m remembering that you are the FR shroud expert. Apologies if you are not!
"Any image of any created thing that is set up and prayed to, adored, etc. is an idol."
Are you calling Jesus a "created thing"?
The body was wrapped.. BUT NOT THE FACE ...read your bible
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