Posted on 04/28/2015 8:36:56 AM PDT by RnMomof7
The God Almighty...who designed everything to function and operate, from the instincts in animals, to the DNA in man, to our entire solar system......who came to earth and embodied a wee baby...endured the cross, died and rose for us.....NEEDS a group of power seeking old men to tell people what his word says?
Nah.
John 20:30-31 30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness."
Okay... I think I’ve slipped into the Twilight Zone! Editor-surveyor and I agree on the vast majority of what he’s saying in response to CynicalBear, et al...
I think I need an aspirin... :)
Hm. So if I were to say, “I think you must be thinking [x]”, you’d not object?
(1) There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: (2)The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.(3) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
(4) Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
(5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.(6) That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Call it 'interpreting' if you wish, but it is clear that the verses 5 and 6 belong together as Jesus answered Nic's question. Abortion in our age is cutting off untold millions from being born of water so they can be born of the Spirit. A sure indication that we are in the great falling away.
Craftier folks than you have tried to argue that a man is not born , only babies are born of water, so the 'water' reference cannot be in relation to the water of birth. But you should note, if you decide to take that path, that Jesus answers Nicodemus on the level of reasoning Nicodemus brought to the discussion. Jesus often used this tactic when those who challenged Him tried to trip Him up, as no doubt you have discovered in reading the Four Gospels. Jesus started His message for Nicodemus telling Nic A MAN must be born again. Nic shot back his human reasoning satanically arranged to refute the Word of God. So Jesus came right back at Nic with his own illogical path and brought him to a new way of looking at The Gospel. [See 1 Cor 3:19]
BTW, if you choose to ttrey the ‘water baptism makes cleansing for the Holy Spirit’, you would have to deal with the scene at Cornelius’s home when Peter speaks, the Holy Spirit enters the believers and then Peter says ‘can anyone hold back baptism, seeing as how God has come into them as into we believing Jews’? The water dipping did not precede the indwelling, for God cleanses the dead human spirit with the Blood of Christ and then the presence of God indwells the believer, as is the fashion of the sprinkling of the Mercy Seat before God comes into the temple.
"Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." (Matt. 19:28).
Who was Christ speaking to? The twelve Apostles. (In Acts, when Judas is replaced by Matthias, Matthias becomes the twelfth apostle who will sit upon a throne judging the twelve tribes of Israel).
Where does Paul sit in this arrangement? He too was an Apostle, personally commissioned by Christ, and yet, there seems to be no throne for him during the millennial reign. If, as you say, all the apostles taught and were taught the same things, uh, just where will Paul be? Serving the drinks and food?
Obviously, he won't be on one of those thrones, Because he is not one of the twelve that will judge the twelve tribes of Israel. Obviously, because his commission was not the same as the twelve. It is DIFFERENT. As in, NOT THE SAME. If this is different, then, obviously, God differentiates according to His will. You may not like it, but it's HIS plan, not yours.
What do you think a covenant is?
Covenant
n.noun
1.) A binding agreement; a compact.
2.) A condition in a contract such as a deed or lease, nonperformance or violation of which gives rise to a cause of action for breach.
3.) A contract.
4.) In the Bible, a divine promise establishing or modifying God's relationship to humanity or to a particular group.
5.) One of the agreements supported by a Covenanter.
v.verb
1.) To promise by a covenant.
2.) To enter into a covenant.
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[...] interspersed with historical accounts, poetry, apocalyptic literature, prophecies, and loads of other things. Are you quite serious, trying to reduce the Bible to nothing more than a "series of contracts"?
Yes, that is precisely what it is, in a legal sense - a series of contracts with supporting documents.
Um... FRiend... this is sounding more confused by the minute. A contract, so called, is not binding unless one signs it.
No, technically, it is binding upon the ones WHO sign it (or the verbal equivalent).
Examples:
If we agree I owe you $100 and I sign an IOU, You may collect upon that signed document in the court, without having signed it yourself.
Several of the contracts are declaratory or promissory... An IOU: Agreement between the parties is incidental... The Adamic, Edenic, Noahdic Aaronic, and Davidic, all declaratory, and binding only upon YHWH.
Several are Life and Death - sealed in blood (blood oaths, the offender must die):
the Abrahamic - Walking through the halves: Only YHWH walked through the halves. Abraham was asleep. Binding only upon YHWH
the Mosaic (Law clause) - Sealed in the sprinkling of blood, agreed to by Israel and broken... But YHWH has promised to fulfill it in their favor anyway: Now binding only upon YHWH.
The Messianic (Redeemer clause) - Sealed in the sprinkling of Yeshua's blood (not ours) - Gentiles added in - It is Yeshua's to do with as he wishes, again binding upon YHWH.
Several are marriage ketubahs (contracts): signed, and sealed by wine:
Main Israeli (Mosaic Bride clause) - still in effect through Judah (until death of Yeshua?).
Judaic (Mosaic Bride clause - Amended after Judah/Israel split) - still in effect. Judah has never been divorced (but may now have been widowed). Now binding ??
Ephraimic (Mosaic Bride clause - Amended after Judah/Israel split) - Divorced: But YHWH has promised to take her back, against Torah prohibition. Now binding only upon YHWH
Messianic (Bride clause) - After death of Yeshua, both Judah and Ephraim are free to remarry - Binding of the two sticks, eligibility of return for Ephraim. Israel is once again, one wife.
Two are Wills (declaratory witnessed oath)
Israel's Tribal Paternal Inheritance - Oath is prophetic, YHWH is the Testator.
Messianic (Inheritance clause) - Yeshua is the Testator.
*BOTH require the death of the Testator to be discharged. (that's what wills do)*
If we were (hypothetically) "not signers" of the contract, then we would not be bound by it. What, exactly, are you trying to say, here?
The blood oaths are not 'signed' by you - Hence Grace. Technically, what you have 'signed, or agreed to, are in three aspects:
Adoption into Israel.
A Discipleship to a Rabbi. You are a Talmidi, joined to his assembly of Talmidim, bound to walk in His footsteps.
A Bridal Ketubah. You are betrothed.
It would be in your interest to understand how these things work.
[roamer_1:] Then y'all better get back to keeping Torah - Every bit of it.
Er... could you please explain WHY, given that Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant completely [...]
Tell me how the Fall Feasts have been fulfilled. Tell me how the Inheritance has been discharged... Tell me how the promises to Ephraim are fulfilled. It is not 'all fulfilled' (not even mentioning the prophets).
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
'Destroy' and 'Fulfill' are rabbinic terms... Maybe you should know what they mean.
[...]and dispensed us from the non--core-moral Mitzvot of the OT [...]
There is no such thing. The Mitzvot cannot be divided. Cannot be added to, nor taken from. Rather, it is argued, Torah cannot be divided. To keep Torah is to Keep Torah.
Your statement doesn't logically follow from anything I said, at all.
Well, if it is not by Grace alone, your salvation is at least in part necessarily works. 'Works' is shortahand for 'Works of the Law' or 'Works of Torah'. 'Works' IS keeping Torah.
Look up sophistry or cognitive dissonance when you have a chance, as you either or have resorted to misconstruing the argument or you have have succeeded in misunderstanding it.
No, it does not follow that since the Sanhedrin was an organized authority but was wrong, then Catholic Church must be wrong since it is an organized hierarchy, which is what you conveniently construed the argument to be.
Instead, it does follow that if an infallible magisterium is essential for the discernment of what is of God, then since then it is contrary to how the NT church began, as there was no infallible magisterium to tell them what was Scripture or the Messiah.
And in fact it began in dissent from those who sat in the seat of Moses, while under the Catholic model the historical magisterium and steward of Scripture dissent is disallowed.
Thus the shared similarity of being an organized authority does not make the RC mag. wrong, but the very premise that ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility is essential is the issue, due to the posters questions. Which should have been obvious.
If want to compare reasons for the Rc mag. being infallible versus the OT mag then go ahead.
lol! AMEN, MHGinTN, AMEN!
On these threads, everytime I see a post by you, or daniel1212, or Elsie, or Cynical Bear, or one or two others that have skipped the shortterm memory of this old man, I pause to digest a savory mental meal of Bible study. Thanks for the work you do.
You have failed again to in any way establish any falsehood in any post I’ve made to you.
You do have one falsehood in your post. Matthias was never appointed by Yeshua as an apostle; that was a disobedient act by men. Apostles can only be selected by Yeshua, although I fail to see what point you are attempting to make.
Your plan is not God’s plan, no matter how much you may desire it to be. You appear to have some indiscernable argument with Paul, without whom most of the NT writings would not exist, but what?
Perhaps some clarification would help?
How does any of this rambling rant relate to my post #517 to which you replied?
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