BREAKING: Pope takes major step toward formal heresy

https://harvestingthefruit.com/breaking-pope-takes-major-step-toward-formal-heresy/ ^

[piusv]

"I feel like saying something that may sound controversial or even heretical. But there is someone who knows that despite our differences we are one. It is he who is persecuting us. It is he that is persecuting Christians today; he who is anointing us with the blood of martyrdom, knows that Christians are disciples of Christ. That we are one, that we are brothers! He doesn't care if they are Evangelicals, Orthodox, Lutherans, Catholics or Apostolic. He doesn't care! They are Christians."

[Mark17]

It kind of makes me think about Jesus, preaching to the Pharisees, and how he grieved at the hardness of their hearts.

[StormPrepper]

IOW, *I’m right because I said so.*

Sure.......

I give that retort a solid 9 out of 10.

[MamaB]

I am interested because I like learning. Years ago, my church bought the Mormon church next door and connected the two buildings. If you are not interested, then do not read them.

[MamaB]

Some Catholics are very good at that. Just read comments by them on here. People who accept Jesus are saved.

[verga]

Weren't the apostles Jewish?

Up until their baptism. You can read their conversion stories in the Gospels and book of Acts.

[ealgeone]

There are the righteous on the right hand and the unrighteous on the left hand.

The righteous did the "good works" as a result of following Christ. The righteous are those who have faith in Christ.

The unrighteous do not have faith in Christ.

Do you really think that an unsaved person, that is one without faith in Christ, gains Heaven by doing good deeds?

And Abraham believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. What "good work" had Abraham done prior to that to "earn" his righteousness?

[ealgeone]

>>Weren't the apostles Jewish?<<

Up until their baptism. You can read their conversion stories in the Gospels and book of Acts.

Say what??

[StormPrepper]

Do you really think that an unsaved person, that is one without faith in Christ, gains Heaven by doing good deeds?

How many times do I have to say no to this before you hear me?

How many times do I have to keep repeating that salvation comes through Jesus Christ, but we have to do as He commands before He will give us salvation. How many times do I have to keep repeating that statement before you hear me?

And Abraham believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. What "good work" had Abraham done prior to that to "earn" his righteousness?

James 1
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Gen 26
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Jesus will not save you for belief alone.

James 2
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Do you really believe that faith alone will save you?

[verga]

What.

[verga]

Mark 8:18 was specifically written for the protestants that were to come.

[Elsie]

There’s a time and a place for everything. I’m not saying Francis is a great or even a good Pope. Anything he says has to be filtered thru some kind of a committee to see if it's worth anything; the rank and file sure do not have to agree with him; and, if he's a gross sinner; we'll just get a shrug and be told to move along.

[Elsie]

Jesus alone holds the keys to salvation.

What??

Do you NOT know what your chosen religion has produced on this subject?

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In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.

1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)     http://www.lds.org/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet?lang=eng

[Elsie]

What??

Yeah...

There's more...

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What Joseph Smith Means to Us  (From: various sources )

 

 

 

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."

- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321

 

 

 

 

"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."

- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88

 

 

 

 

"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"

- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)

There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"

- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

 

 

 

 

"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."

- Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155

 

 

 

 

"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"

- Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670

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They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.

He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.

He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.

As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.

Who has made this so?

Have I?

Have this people?

Have the world?

No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.

If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.

If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.

Can you pass without his inspection?

No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.

In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.

They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?

They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?

Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224

[Elsie]

So...

...it appears you not be to good at MATH; either.

[Elsie]

Do you really believe that faith alone will save you?

This might not be found in the Inspired Version...
...and it is suspect in the following:

Luke 8:43-48   King James Version (KJV)

⁴³ And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any,

⁴⁴ Came behind him, and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched.

⁴⁵ And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?

⁴⁶ And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me.

⁴⁷ And when the woman saw that she was not hid, she came trembling, and falling down before him, she declared unto him before all the people for what cause she had touched him, and how she was healed immediately.

⁴⁸ And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.

 

 

 

[ealgeone]

Paul and James both reference this exact verse.

Keep it in context:

When was Abraham declared righteous?

What had he done for this?

In Genesis 26 you're equating the giving of the land with Abraham's righteousness....two different things. The covenant for the land came after he had been declared righteous.

God does not give salvation in one place and then take it back in another.

Now, as a follower of Christ do we do the things He's told us to do? You betcha. I don't know of a Christian who would say otherwise.

To use a sport analogy....when you're on the team you do what the coach says. .

[Elsie]

Do you have eyes but fail to see, and ears but fail to hear?

I see Mary; up in the clouds...

....the apparition called herself the "Lady of the Rosary".            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_F%C3%A1tima

 

[Elsie]

You can always say, bring your mom out here and then we'll discuss it........

 

 

[Elsie]

Say it better.

 

 

[Elsie]