Rome, Her Saints, & the Gospel

The Cripplegate ^ | May 20, 2015 | Eric Davis

[kinsman redeemer]

In public grammar school, we would stand, say the pledge allegiance, and pray the "Lord's Prayer" (oops... I just opened a can of worms... IT'S A MODEL PRAYER! )

Anyway, I took pride while saying the prayer when I came to end of the prayer before the Prots! I was very proud of my RCC commitment to say it "RIGHT!" - not like the other half of the class.

I'd actually TRY to make my silence LOUDER - as if that was possible.

[kinsman redeemer]

... now I’ll try to focus on the ACTUAL SUBJECT of the thread.

[Mark17]

Would love for the catholic to show us where this is squared away with the Word.

I'll start painting my house while we wait.

You can paint the town if you like, but you will still have time left over to continue your wait.

[metmom]

The Pharisees were perfect according to keeping the Law.

Jesus called them whitewashed tombs.

Some people can put on a really good show.

[metmom]

He can start working on his grass while he waits.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

"Once the pope canonizes the individual, the declaration is infallible and irrevocable."

Canonizations are NOT held to be infallible.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

"These threads" point to a severe obsession with the Catholic Church by those who claim to despise it.

Who are you folks trying to convince?

...Yourselves, it would seem to me.

[MamaB]

During our devotional time, we prayed from our hearts not some rote one. Each kid had a day to lead the devotion. Then every 6 weeks, the local Church of Christ minister came in to give a talk. He had a way with kids. Then we had sectional songs. It was loads of fun and something to look forward too. I still remember some of the songs we sang: America, Row Your Boat, Coming around the Mountain, etc. it was a much simpler time. Some of my precious memories of 50+ years ago.

[MamaB]

Nope, just trying to show y’all the truth. We know what the Bible says and want the truth known.

[MamaB]

Some Catholic sites say no and others say yes. A bit of disagreement. I just typed in: “are canonizations infallible?”

[Mark17]

Nowhere in the Bible does it forbid asking those in Heaven to pray for us.

Actually it DOES forbid it. It is called necromancy. It is also called divination, sorcery and spiritism, and is condemned by God in Leviticus, Dueteronomy, and other places. It is impossible to reach the dead, and if some sort of contact is made, it is contact with demons. When I was a catholic, it was made to look sweet and innocent, but no matter how innocent it seems, it is evil, and leaves people open to demonic influence. Paul asked people to pray for him, but only them who were still alive on the earth. Once they were dead, he stopped asking them. None of us should ask the dead to pray for us. First, they might be in Hell, but we don't want to pray to demons, because they are the only ones who will answer you. You may not like this, That's on you. You have the information,

[MHGinTN]

Obsession? LOL the same silly accusation the Mormons toss at us. The Catholic Church may have been Christian at its roots, but it is no longer. Your pope is preparing to lead you followers into the world religion and into embrace of ETs who will claim our Christianity is in error and they who have not fallen will lead you in the correct way.' Your Vatican is studying the ET phenomenon and what is approaching from space, using the Arizona Mt. Graham complex of telescopes. You Pope called together top scientists to discuss exo-biological life and what ET intelligence will effect in the world's religions. Yeah, your Vatican hierarchy is preparing to lead you to denying Jesus The Christ as God with us, as merely a starchild planted on Earth by the ET superiors.

Your Vatican is so protective of what they have discovered (that is leading them astray and you with it) and what they are planning that even Danny Sheehan, a Jesuit of some note is not allowed access to the records! Even though he was appointed to go by the Jesuit orders and The President of the US.

Obsessed over Catholicism? Naw, something so disgusting, deceiving 1.5 billion sincere people, well such a spectre isn't worthy of obsession, but due exposure for sure.

[MamaB]

That is what I believe, too. That is why the quija board is dangerous. It seems like once that door is opened, it is hard to close it.

[Petrosius]

Actually it DOES forbid it. It is called necromancy. It is also called divination, sorcery and spiritism, and is condemned by God in Leviticus, Dueteronomy, and other places.

There is a world of difference between asking the saints to pray for us and necromancy. Necromancy is an attempt to have a two-way conversation in order to learn hidden knowledge. Quite a different animal.

It is impossible to reach the dead, and if some sort of contact is made, it is contact with demons.

Not so. Saul was able to reach Samuel. His fault was that he wanted knowledge from Samuel that God would not give him. It is never a sin to ask someone to pray to God for us.

[Petrosius]

We know what the Bible says and want the truth known.

Unless you can claim infallibility (something you deny to the church as a whole) then you need to temper all your statements with "in my opinion but I could be wrong."

[Mark17]

Sorry Pet. I disagree with your opinion, and I won't temper it and say I could be wrong, except to say it is entirely possible, that many of the "saints" people pray to, might possibly be in Hell, so they are not saints in the first place. I know when I was a catholic, it was sugar coated, to look respectable. I have met superstitious Catholics in Mexico and the Philippines. Some of them are definitely trying to have two way communications with the dead. Pretty sick actually. No matter how much necromancy is sugar coated, it is still necromancy. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on our definition of necromancy, or praying to the dead. So be it. I definitely have my own idea on it. I am, however, only SLIGHTLY concerned with necromancy. I am REALLY concerned with what is your plan of salvation? How are people going to make it to Heaven? Necromancy pales in comparison to Heaven or Hell. If one doesn't make it to Heaven, then nothing else matters. Have a nice eternity. 😇

[caww]

Amen! Great Post and so very true!

[MamaB]

Thanks Mark. You said it so much better than I. BTW, I went to see my surgeon Friday. She’s aid my eyes look much better and are focused right. She told me I will have to have eye lifts. : )

[Mark17]

That is what I believe, too. That is why the Ouija board is dangerous. It seems like once that door is opened, it is hard to close it.

Affirmative Mama. In high school, back in the 60s, we messed with a Ouija board a few times. We all thought it was a joke, but then the board started doing weird things, and I became convinced their was something evil behind it. We quit messing around with it.

[caww]

...."There is a world of difference between asking the saints to pray for us and necromancy"....

No there isn't....The harsh reality of this kind of unbiblical beliefs and practices is perverted in every way..... furthermore digging up the body parts of the departed and staging them certainly shows that the idea of venerating and praying to Saints is more than twisted...it is necromancy...it is grave robbery a desecrating of their graves. It's a culture of death.