Posted on 06/23/2015 10:06:16 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Then why throw out James making it crystal clear that faith alone is foolishness?
That we're to obey our prelates?
And that the heresy of Korah leads to destruction ?
Nah, whenever a Protestant blabbers out, "context" it's because they can't defend their twisting of what Scripture clearly states or their refusal to accept what Scripture clearly states.
God incarnate made himself perfectly clear in both places with regard to His Son and His Body, which is exactly why everyone except the twelve Apostles left him, they refused to accept what Christ said. In that regard, the vast majority of Protestant folks are just like the people who walked away from Christ because they, too, refuse to accept what Christ says.
I think that’s checkmate!
The carnal mind cannot help but focus upon spiritual things with a carnal slant. "... which is exactly why everyone except the twelve Apostles left him, they refused to accept what Christ said." 'They' the devout Jews, believed that 'they' could have spiritual life of God by obeying the laws of God. What Jesus was saying to them opposed that prideful perspective and in inferring His coming death for them it contradicted what they thought He was there to do in the flesh, establish again the throne of David.
And Jesus used a metaphorical violation of the very law of God, a commandment to not eat the blood and to not commit cannibalism, as a meas to expose their false way to find salvation. That a catholic cannot see this clear use of metaphor and the disobedience tot he commandment of God to ALL THEIR GENERATIONS is symptomatic of the very same perspective in c atholicism. The spiritual meaning is contrary to their pride in self worth via their works of 'penitence' or 'righteousness' or 'charity' ... doe in the flesh not the spirit because they have yet to receive His Life, His Spirit into them by faith.
If your eternity depends on your life ...and how you have lived it..you are not "saved" you have an earned reward ..
As do many Protestant churches... one must be saved to participate.. so in effect Catholics would not be welcome ..it is a believers meal
Talking about context and applying what is said to one specific audience as if it applies to all slaps Christ Himself in the face for what He said in the verses following John 3:16, verses Protestant folks ignore. If someone is already deluded into a heresy that denies the perfection of the Holy Spirit and preaches the same thing Korah was swallowed alive into Hell for I guess slapping Christ in the face is no big deal.
That is so sad..
Catholics kneel before an idol, made with human hands..in full violation of the 1st and 2nd commandments and they think this is pleasing to Him. They talk to that idol as if it has ears to hear.. .
My FR friend.. it does not matter to God if one BELIEVES that bread is god.. The pagans believed their idols were gods too..
The body of Christ now sits at right hand of the Father to rule and reign ... He is not in a man made box needed to keep Him safe.. He is not locked into a piece of a cracker to be chewed , swallowed and then eliminated ....
catholics should not kid themselves in order to reject the Truth of what The Word of God declares. Saying magic words is a catholic schtick. A Born from Above Christian knows with the heart man believes in order to receive God’s Life in them. They that walk after the flesh to try and eat Jesus to get Him inside of them are contrasted with those thaqt walk after the Spirit. The Spirit gives Life to the spirit. The belly gives life to the flesh. The proof is at the sermon of Peter on Pentecost, and in the house of Cornelius when Peter preached there. with the heart those receiving God’s Life believed unto righteousness.
Were they saved by eating the lamb? ..
Ex 12: 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or boiled in water, but roast it over a fire—with the head, legs and internal organs. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. 11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the Lord’s Passover.
12 “On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the Lord. 13 The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.
21 Then Moses summoned all the elders of Israel and said to them, “Go at once and select the animals for your families and slaughter the Passover lamb. 22 Take a bunch of hyssop, dip it into the blood in the basin and put some of the blood on the top and on both sides of the doorframe. None of you shall go out of the door of your house until morning. 23 When the Lord goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.
Were they saved by eating the Lamb or were they saved by the protection of HIS BLOOD?
They were not told to DRINK that blood..but to seek shelter under it..and by faith they obeyed ... They were saved by the blood of that Lamb ..as is every saved person that posts here on FR...
I do not think they do
UMMMMMM Jesus and the apostles were under that that "old blood hang-up"law thing ...Jesus had to keep the WHOLE LAW PERFECTLY in order to fulfill it and to die the perfect SINLESS LAMB..
That included the entire levitical law.. and not eating blood..
ya took the words right out of my mouth
So God can sin??
Paul writes to Christians over and over telling them that they're not living like Christians and therefore not following Christ in spite of Christ Himself saying we need to take up our cross and follow him. Christ Himself said that since He cut off the original branch we should beware lest we too be cut off even after we were grafted in.
The vast majority of Protestant folks ignore all of that and have degenerated into nothing more than Wicca with a "wink, wink, nudge, nudge," while saying "Jesus Christ" but teaching Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Claiming to be led by the same Holy Spirit Protestant doctrine, all Protestant and Protestant derived doctrine, clearly states is imperfect and inept is no different than claiming to be led by whichever spirit is hanging from a nearby tree.
People who have, for example, changed their beliefs and interpretation of Scripture to the degree that they accept the murder of infants in the womb as long as it's called "contraception" are people who are under a strong, diabolical, delusion, not people understand Scripture and who are following Christ.
I wish Catholics would really read the scripture proof texts their church uses ..
The "bread of life' discourse ended at John 6:61...
Jesus went on with His teaching about salvation
Jhn 6:62 [What] and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.
Jhn 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Jhn 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Jhn 6:66 From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
They did not like hearing that salvation had to be given them and much like the manna in the desert, it was totally a gift of the Father. They could not do anything on their own to earn it, they only had access to it by faith ( remember the Jews could only gather enough manna for the one days meals, and for 2 days on the day before the sabbath, they had to have faith in God to provide what was necessary for their life) . The idea that salvation was all of God and not found in law keeping was blasphemy to the law oriented Jews that felt their salvation was based on their will, their law keeping etc
How do we know that the bread was a metaphor ??
What did your "first pope " say??
Did he ask for some of that bread ???
John 67 “You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve.
68 Simon Peter answered him,“Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”
Peter did not seek after that "bread" , he understood the metaphor.. He wanted to hear the WORDS of eternal life
When James spoke of being able to know someone has 'faith that saves' he focused attention on the works, because IF the Life of God is in a man, the character of God will show forth. James was not teaching that to have salvation you must do works to earn it. He was explaining that IF you have it you will see the works as evidence. Folks turn the perspective on its head. James was teaching folks how to know if someone had saving Faith, as he said 'I'll show you my faith (that saving faith which God sees in the inward parts and sends His Spirit into them because of it) by my works.' He never said I'll get salvation by my works.
Exactly where did Augustine say that?
From that set of assertions regarding a personal interpretation of what "works" means and knowing that Protestantism claims that each individual can read the mind of God and claim that when God Himself said something He didn't mean exactly what He said, it follows that Paul wasn't right when he said :
Romans 11:21 For if God hath not spared the natural branches, fear lest perhaps he also spare not thee.
So, now along with denying the power of the Holy Spirit, reading the mind of God, and claiming the individual has the right to ignore verses that don't fit into their personal preferences, we now have clear evidence that Protestantism by definition has to disagree with Paul. At least when they want to disagree with Paul.
How many catholics run to the priest....say a few words...then are off on their way?
Can you keep things in context when reading the Word??
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