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METHODIST OFFICIAL: “I NEVER HAVE ASKED JESUS TO DEFINE MARRIAGE”
First Things ^ | July 4, 2015 | Matthew Schmitz

Posted on 07/05/2015 3:42:45 PM PDT by NYer

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To: NYer

Well, lucky for us all Jesus didn’t wait around to be asked all these 2000 years.


21 posted on 07/05/2015 3:58:04 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job...)
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To: chajin

>>I have been a former Methodist for 26 years-

I’ve only been former Methodist for 1 year so I’m still in detox.


22 posted on 07/05/2015 4:00:33 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: NYer
Love has really won today.

No, Satan has really won today. I hope you enjoy your newfound "love".

23 posted on 07/05/2015 4:04:05 PM PDT by piusv
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To: NYer

Was just thinking. How they spell idiot in Irish dialect. Takes a minute to figure it out

Ijut. Or ijiut

I think it’s the second one


24 posted on 07/05/2015 4:05:19 PM PDT by stanne
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To: umgud

Most reasonable people have at least heard the story of the wedding at Cana


25 posted on 07/05/2015 4:06:32 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Bryanw92
I’ve only been former Methodist for 1 year so I’m still in detox.

As a Methodist, I attended a Lutheran Cursillo in 1980, where I learned how much of Wesley's teachings (many of which had been left behind, forgotten, or corrupted over the years) meshed with Luther's. I didn't know it at the time, but God was preparing me for the switchover to LCMS in His timing, nine years later, and I was led to it by, of all things, a former Southern Baptist missionary to Jordan, who began to question his own faith, and ended up as LCMS. Whatever your journey is to be, God has already laid out the path and lined up the necessary gifts, supplies, and supporters.

26 posted on 07/05/2015 4:07:27 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: Bryanw92; chajin
I’ve only been former Methodist for 1 year so I’m still in detox.

I've got just a handful of years more than chajin has. I got out when my local congregation started teaching pantheism in the weekly Bible study, long before the denomination went south. You're in good company.

27 posted on 07/05/2015 4:07:31 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: piusv
Love has really won today.

Joseph Fletcher would be pleased. God, not so much. Psalm 2:4 comes to mind.

28 posted on 07/05/2015 4:09:15 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: NYer

I believe that what Medford has done here is known as ‘grieving the holy spirit’.


29 posted on 07/05/2015 4:12:33 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: NYer

Gee, I guess Jesus didn’t care whether or not Mr. Mefford asked him, because he went ahead and defined marriage as between one man and one woman several places in the Bible - so much arrogance and self-importance today, Jesus would have a difficult time making any headway with his teachings of humility and self-betterment.....


30 posted on 07/05/2015 4:15:38 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: chajin

>>As a Methodist, I attended a Lutheran Cursillo in 1980,

Decolores! I went to Walk to Emmaus in 2008 and it started me questioning all of Arminian theology after that (i.e. if God is great, then why is he waiting by the phone for us to call?). My wife attended Via de Cristo in 2012, so I switched over to that community and served on several teams. My questions led me to the PCA, where like you in the LCMS, the questions finally began to have satisfactory answers.


31 posted on 07/05/2015 4:18:44 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: piusv

These people are so deceived. I don’t think they are going to experience “love” where they are headed. Nope - they will experience weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth, without the benefit of a drink of water or air conditioning.


32 posted on 07/05/2015 4:25:46 PM PDT by Catsrus
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To: Darksheare
How is if that he never read Mark 10:6 and Matthew 19:4?

The science of the question was settled well before Jesus. In Matthew 19:4 Jesus refers to concepts of gender and marriage as axioms for a logical proof.

33 posted on 07/05/2015 4:25:49 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Bryanw92
>>I am astonished the United Methodist Church has not just come out openly for gay marriage.

They can’t until they change their Book of Discipline at next year’s General Conference.

The UMC General Conference is now dominated by orthodox Christians from Africa who out-vote the North American revisionsts.

The North American heterodox are openly talking schism and separation because they know they cannot "win"

34 posted on 07/05/2015 4:34:06 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: Bryanw92

I guess I could be called a former Methodist although I used say “I am a Christian who attends the Methodist church”. Saw the homosexual agenda getting a stronger grip even in the south about 10 years ago. All starting from the administration and most of those from the North East. The Southern Conferences have been the ones holding the others back from going full homo. They are losing.


35 posted on 07/05/2015 4:37:05 PM PDT by EandH Dad (sleeping giants wake up REALLY grumpy)
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To: NYer
Jesus DID define marriage.

Matthew 19:5
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

These United Methodists must read another Bible.
36 posted on 07/05/2015 4:37:21 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: lightman

>>The UMC General Conference is now dominated by orthodox Christians from Africa who out-vote the North American revisionsts.

>>The North American heterodox are openly talking schism and separation because they know they cannot “win”

They don’t want schism, but they will campaign for new rules to allow conferences to follow the cultures that they are in. Kinda breaks the whole “in the world, but not of the world” thing, but the UMC isn’t really concerned with those “guidelines” found in “a 2000+ year old book written for cultures that no longer are relevant”, are they? They say that God is still speaking (but he just stopped writing).


37 posted on 07/05/2015 4:37:29 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: EandH Dad

>>The Southern Conferences have been the ones holding the others back from going full homo. They are losing.

Because people are fleeing to bible-believing churches. #Godwins


38 posted on 07/05/2015 4:38:47 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: NYer

“...but I have sensed the joy of the Holy Spirit today as so many of our brothers and sisters...celebrate that their love for each other is recognized at long-last.”

Dude, I think that was Richard Simmons you were sensing, not the Holy Spirit.


39 posted on 07/05/2015 4:38:49 PM PDT by Junk Silver
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To: NYer

It is pretty obvious that many of these so-called church leaders are less theologically driven than the majority of devout laymen. They are at best fools, at worst, tools of Satan. They should have no credibility and certainly no authority within any church worthy of the name.


40 posted on 07/05/2015 4:41:23 PM PDT by IronJack
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