Posted on 07/05/2015 3:42:45 PM PDT by NYer
Just another in a long line of fake Christians who deny the God of Creation in their dismissal of His word when it conflicts with their world view...they’re not just blind but an apostate preacher when they do such things.
I have known a couple Methodist pastors over the years, one was a next door neighbor, and they were just as conservative as anyone on FR.
I’m sure that’s true, but every one I’ve known, save one, were ultra-liberal to the point of being communists.
The UMC in the US is bleeding members while the UMC in Africa (and Asia) is exploding.
At the last General Conference, the ordination of self avowed homosexuals was voted down with a 61% majority. With the growing influence of orthodox churches, esp. those in Africa, I can't see that it would be any closer in 2016.
Some have advocated that each Annual Conference should make its own decision on this issue, but that won't fly either because the more conservative UMC churches will not share leadership with an institution that doesn't stand 100% against ordination of homosexuals.
If the orthodox churches hold firm next year, I wouldn't be surprised to see the liberal churches breaking away. It will be interesting to see what the denominational leadership, who are more liberal, will eo.
admittedly, those I have known have probably been retired for a while.
One female pastor was there for exactly one year and somehow always turned her sermons into a pro-gay lesson.
>>If the orthodox churches hold firm next year, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the liberal churches breaking away. It will be interesting to see what the denominational leadership, who are more liberal, will eo.
The liberals always talk about breaking away if they don’t get their way, but after GC2012, it was the Conservatives who started talking about it and the liberals got scared. They knew that the majority of UM churches survive on the money of conservatives and that the rural and suburban churches pay most of the apportionments. An exodus of conservatives would doom the UMC.
So, the liberals started walking back the talk of a split once the the conservatives started agreeing that it would be best.
The libs will never split off. Their whole agenda is about making others bow to their will, so they will always stay. IMO, Methodists of good conscience should just leave and find a new church home. That’s what I did. Leave the UMC to wallow in its own Progressive filth.
Our monsignor read a letter today from the Conference of Bishops, stating that they are not backing down in opposing gay “marriage”.
Nor do they need Anthony Kennedy, but surely they ought to appreciate what Jesus is recorded as saying in Matthew 19. That human beings are created male and female, that as Black stone put it,” Man embraces woman. Monogamous marriage is the joining together of one man and one woman in a conjugal union which is enjoined to be fruitful.
If they change the Discipline to allow same-sex marriage, then John Wesley will turn over in his grave.
I have observed from people in my orbit that there is a great divide in these churches between the clergy and the people in the pews. The clergy may be liberal, but the people are mostly right of center. In my coffee group and at the “club,” they come from half dozen denominations and are regular in attendance, and they would all agree with my observation. And they aren’t about to be shoved out by a liberal preacher as they will tell you quickly that their family has been in the church for generations and built the church way back when. No whipper-snapper preacher is going to run them out.
I quit attending the UMC I grew up in about 15 years ago when she (the pastor) told us to say a prayer to “Mother Earth” for earth day,which just seemed to me to be suggesting we pray to false gods...
I quit attending the UMC I grew up in about 15 years ago when she (the pastor) told us to say a prayer to “Mother Earth” for earth day,which just seemed to me to be suggesting we pray to false gods...
Why, hell, they still can't decide if an unborn baby is worthy of protection from the abortionists . . . They just can't figure out if abortions are killing . . . not even the 10 Commandments can settle their decision.
I asked my so-called Methodist pastor if he'd allow a homosexual marriage in our church, and he started to say, "Well, if they ever asked me to allow it, I'd probably have to blah, blah, blah." I turned and walked away before he was done blah-blahing. I showed my disgust by walking away.
Well, perhaps not, Mr. Mefford, but one would think that an ordained Christian minister and senior church staffer might, even if only momentarily, taken interest in what He had to say about it.
It is disturbing when Christian ministers advance the communist agenda. Do they realize that they are complicit in establishing the State as a religion?
If anyone had asked Christ about it; He, as a perfect keeper of the Mosaic Law would have gladly told them that He kept the Mosaic Law PERFECTLY. Otherwise, He would not have been an unblemished lamb & offering for our sins.
Oh, yes, Mr. Mefford. If I were you, I’d consider the unparalleled benefits of withdrawing from any unmoderated contact with media, mass, social or otherwise.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.