Posted on 07/07/2015 3:02:34 PM PDT by RnMomof7
And I am thankful to be their sister.
Good morning, Sis! Had some interesting moments last night. The oil check seems to be useful, for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see.
I looked up the Catholic position on catholic.com, and this is what I found. It seems NOT to align with what that priest was saying. That should not surprise us, because in our churches, we have found a number of preachers who stumble over theology, and some of them seriously.
The Catholic position
The Church teaches that the Mass is the re-presentation of the sacrifice of Calvary, which also is invariably misunderstood by anti-Catholics. The Catholic Church does not teach that the Mass is a re-crucifixion of Christ, who does not suffer and die again in the Mass.
Yet, it is more than just a memorial service. John A. O’Brien, writing in The Faith of Millions, said, "The manner in which the sacrifices are offered is alone different: On the cross Christ really shed his blood and was really slain; in the Mass, however, there is no real shedding of blood, no real death; but the separate consecration of the bread and of the wine symbolizes the separation of the body and blood of Christ and thus symbolizes his death upon the cross. The Mass is the renewal and perpetuation of the sacrifice of the cross in the sense that it offers [Jesus] anew to God . . . and thus commemorates the sacrifice of the cross, reenacts it symbolically and mystically, and applies the fruits of Christ’s death upon the cross to individual human souls. All the efficacy of the Mass is derived, therefore, from the sacrifice of Calvary" (306).
"Once for all"
The Catholic Church specifically says Christ does not die again—his death is once for all. It would be something else if the Church were to claim he does die again, but it doesn’t make that claim. Through his intercessory ministry in heaven and through the Mass, Jesus continues to offer himself to his Father as a living sacrifice, and he does so in what the Church specifically states is "an unbloody manner"—one that does not involve a new crucifixion.
The only reason I would say that the priest you've mentioned is being overly emotional is because of what appears to be the actual teaching of the Catholic Church, which appears to be that there is NO re-sacrifice of Jesus, but that for their belief in actual presence to happen, that the flesh and blood present is from the real Jesus.
You and I might not believe that, but in most cases, it's better to allow a denomination to tell us what they teach rather than have us tell them what they teach.
The edition from which the quote is lifted is prior to 1974. The nihil obstat stamp was firmly applied tot he earlier edition I have access to. It is not uncommon for the RCC hierarchy to make changes which they hope will go unnoticed. This is perhaps one of those ‘changes’. For the record, the paragraph is indefensible from the Christian perspective but apparently not unsettling to the unregenerate who are relying on an institution to bring them along into Heaven.
Which post are you objecting to?
The paragraph posted at #93, from the earlier edition of John O’Brien’s book, the one you referenced in dismissal with your post #163.
Are you saying post #93 is now obsolete or the other way around?
I am saying that the paragraph posted in #93 of this thread is an accurate example of what the RCC put their nihil obstat upon prior to 1973. My question is do you, a former Chaplain, see anything in that paragraph that is contrary to the God of the Bible?
I think it’s all hyperbole. However, that hyperbole if taken literally is bad theology.
Hmmm, blasphemy is merely hyperbole (of course, one definition is purposeful deception). I wonder if that will be helpful in ushering in ecumenism. Will Chrislam rely upon such lukewarm belief?
We don’t presume that either...
It is presumption to believe the Promises of God. To not believe the Promises is to walk in something other than faith.
See then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off” (Rom. 11:22; see also Heb. 10:26–29, 2 Pet. 2:20–21).
Kinda makes the case for having to continue to live in a Christlike manner or suffer the consequences
The Sacrifice Jesus made upon the Cross allows us to immediately be born from above and relate to God thereafter as family members, not strangers striving to obtain adoption.
Luke 23:43
"And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”
:D
Hoss
Now THAT is using the sword with skill.
Masterstroke! Love it!
Hoss
Nope; it be a wafer until the priest says the magic words and it BECOMES the 'host' after the mumbo-jumbo.
I can comprehend THAT much!
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