Posted on 07/07/2015 3:02:34 PM PDT by RnMomof7
In Light from Old Times, J.C. Ryle explained the theological and spiritual implications—and imperfections—of the Catholic mass.
Whatever men please to think or say, the Romish doctrine of the real presence, if pursued to its legitimate consequences, obscures every leading doctrine of the gospel, and damages and interferes with the whole system of Christ’s truth. Grant for a moment that the Lord’s Supper is a sacrifice, and not a sacrament—grant that every time the words of the consecration are used the natural body and blood of Christ are present on the communion table under the forms of bread and wine—grant that every one who eats that consecrated bread and drinks that consecrated wine does really eat and drink the natural body and blood of Christ—grant for a moment these things, and then see what momentous consequences result from these premises. You spoil the blessed doctrine of Christ’s finished work when He died on the cross. A sacrifice that needs to be repeated is not a perfect and complete thing. You spoil the priestly office of Christ. If there are priests that can offer an acceptable sacrifice to God besides Him, the great High Priest is robbed of His glory. You spoil the scriptural doctrine of the Christian ministry. You exalt sinful men into the position of mediators between God and man. You give to the sacramental elements of bread and wine an honour and veneration they were never meant to receive, and produce an idolatry to be abhorred of faithful Christians. Last, but not least, you overthrow the true doctrine of Christ’s human nature. If the body born of the Virgin Mary can be in more places than one at the same time, it is not a body like our own, and Jesus was not “the last Adam” in the truth of our nature.
Makes me sad
Giving us a Sword is even more vital in this the last of the Age, when His return in the Air is so close at hand. So many will be without understanding for what just happened, and may not realize they must call upon the name of the Lord immediately, for lawlessness will suddenly be unrestrained. The Sword of His Word can cut through a lot of hard crust, but someone has to have it in hand and using it. The Truth has become an offense to too many.
I acknowledge there are some like that in any Catholic church, but the folks I hang with know their Bible and love the mass. They do the sacraments out of love, not to earn their eternal salvation. I attend Bible study each week and those folks are awesome Catholics, too. I am blessed.
Heresy is more than just error. It involves denial of the Lord who saves us. 2 Pe 2:1
While I think that one catches more flies with honey, my effort is not based on being “nice”. It’s based on being honest.
Salvation, it is perfectly clear that the “in persona christi” argument is an argument from agency. That being the case, even if it were true (which it is not), no one in an agency relationship to a principal (Christ) can rightly speak in terms of being equal to the principal. Such language is properly distained as blasphemy when it concerns any who serve as agents of God in any capacity. Agency is servitude, not equality.
Peace,
SR
The problem is they have a lord that does not save.. they have jesus +
That negates having the Lord that saves..
I disagree.
Salvation is based on God opening the heart to respond to the gospel.
And that is why so many here try to teach those Catholics open to the truth that Rome has a different gospel.. ...jesus + anything damns to hell
like a gold snake???
>>>>>>>>>>>>2. partially tied to the Church (e.g. a Protestant who is baptized has, obviously, a partial tie to the Catholic Church as they have the valid sacrament of Baptism)<<<<<<<<<<Nope.... Rome damns us to hell
CANON 9: “If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.”
“Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin,” (Rom. 3:20).
“Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus;” (Rom. 3:24).
“Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law,” (Rom. 3:28).
“For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness,” (Rom. 4:3).
“Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,” (Rom. 5:1).
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God;” (Eph. 2:8).
“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost,” (Titus 3:5).
CANON 12: “If any one shall say that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in the divine mercy pardoning sins for Christ’s sake, or that it is that confidence alone by which we are justified . . . let him be accursed”
“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name,” (John 1:12).
“Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law,” (Rom. 3:28).
‘For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness,” (Rom. 4:3).
“Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 26For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the peoples: for this he did once, when he offered up himself,” (Heb. 7:25-27).
“For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day,” (2 Tim. 1:12).
Canon 14: “If any one saith, that man is truly absolved from his sins and justified, because that he assuredly believed himself absolved and justified; or, that no one is truly justified but he who believes himself justified; and that, by this faith alone, absolution and justification are effected; let him be anathema.”
“For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness,” (Rom. 4:3).
“Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,” (Rom. 5:1).
Canon 23: “lf any one saith, that a man once justified can sin no more, nor lose grace, and that therefore he that falls and sins was never truly justified; or, on the other hand, that he is able, during his whole life, to avoid all sins, even those that are venial,—except by a special privilege from God, as the Church holds in regard of the Blessed Virgin; let him be anathema.”
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him,” (John 3:36).
“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day,” (John 6:40).
“And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand,” (John 10:28).
“That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord,” (Rom. 5:21).
“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us,” (1 John 2:19).
“These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God,” (1 John 5:13).
Canon 24: “If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema.”
“O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?” (Gal. 3:1-3)
“Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law,” (Gal. 5:1-3).
Canon 30: “If any one saith, that, after the grace of Justification has been received, to every penitent sinner the guilt is remitted, and the debt of eternal punishment is blotted out in such wise, that there remains not any debt of temporal punishment to be discharged either in this world, or in the next in Purgatory, before the entrance to the kingdom of heaven can be opened (to him); let him be anathema.”
“Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,” (Rom. 5:1).
“And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross,” (Col. 2:13-14).
Canon 33: “If any one saith, that, by the Catholic doctrine touching Justification, by this holy Synod inset forth in this present decree, the glory of God, or the merits of our Lord Jesus Christ are in any way derogated from, and not rather that the truth of our faith, and the glory in fine of God and of Jesus Christ are rendered (more) illustrious; let him be anathema.
It sounds like you’re berating the different gospel instead of preaching the gospel.
Like a white, wheat wafer.
Wednesday Night Bingo !
People can fall into the trap of believing they are saved by believing they are saved, rather than simply believing and obeying the Messiah (who gave everyone commandments and will judge us based on them).
I am indeed berating false doctrine and the false gospel ..I damn it to hell as it makes the cross of my Savior and Lord of no effect...
Jesus and His followers did not try to make friends and influence people.. they spoke truth... and those that had ears to hear, heard
I make no apology
Do a series on Galatians OK??
Are you certain about this ? It sounds to me very Catholic, and unlike your other teachings, once we correct the doctrinal inconsistencies and misunderstandings inherent in the tale.
Yep, that is an unsound argument. False dilemma. Paul did both. Sometimes you just have walk and chew gum at the same time.
Peace,
SR
Bingo
Well, the priest was authorized, in fact instructed, to do just that...Therefore he is, indeed speaking with the authority of God, and it is God, of course, who actually allows the transubstantiation....like He said He would do.
THANKS, I was beginning to miss the naughty Popes!!!!
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