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Five Reasons I Reject the Doctrine of Transubstantiation
Reclaiming the Mind Credo House ^ | March 8, 2013 | C Michael Patton

Posted on 07/09/2015 9:33:36 AM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: rwa265
People keep tossing this verse out but not keeping it in context. Jesus is not referring to His flesh. He does not say "My flesh...." He said "..the flesh..."

John 6:63: “It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”

And Paul clarifies that quite nicely in Galatians.

Gal 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary the one to the other; that ye may not do the things that ye would.

Gal 5:18 But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these: fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, parties,

Gal 5:21 envyings, drunkenness, revellings, and such like; of which I forewarn you, even as I did forewarn you, that they who practise such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

Gal 5:23 meekness, self-control; against such there is no law.

Gal 5:24 And they that are of Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with the passions and the lusts thereof.

421 posted on 07/13/2015 5:42:50 AM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: MHGinTN

See post 421


422 posted on 07/13/2015 5:46:32 AM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: Mad Dawg
There is quite in your previous reply/comment I would like to get around to agreeing with, but now it's my turn be out of energy, perhaps more than time, except for how long it takes me to think...

Yet this here from the comment I'm presently responding to;

So to me, this passage is about the rise of materialism in general thought.

There is that, yet if I recall, although years ago I'd been under the impression that the Aristotelian philosophy of substance was more figurative and of principles, and conceptualization, after reviewing the materials in treatement coming from professional academic who knew philosophy, I came to the conclusion that when it came to substance --- it could and did serve (more often than not was it? it difficult to recall precisely) very much as materialistic philosophy would today apply the term.

In some eucharistic argumentation what would be the substance and what the accident were reversed as those were thought of in Grecian application of the philosophy.

I realize that I'm making remark and assertion which I'm not presently establishing through evidence and explaining by example --- but --- when I fouind oiut that I'd had it backwards and a bit skewed off to the side, and then reflected upon how I was trying to also understand the philosophy from what I had been able to have gleaned from RC propaganda woops, meant to say apologetic (hehheh) I was p.o'ed.

It was like learning some foreign language, which once I attempted to use, I only then discovered the 'teachers' had such gawd-awful accents, if I attempted to say it like I'd heard it, listeners of the actual native language would hear the opposite of what I thought to intend. so, not your fault, but if you see tommy, tell him i said hey thanks. and he's ugly and his momma shor' did dress him funny. ;^')

423 posted on 07/13/2015 5:48:24 AM PDT by BlueDragon (don't ask me to think I was hired for my looks)
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To: dartuser
Because the "Main point" was obviated by my point.

Jesus never came right out and told His disciples everything all at once. He brought them along slowly to prepare them for the truth.

He began His public ministry with the "simplest" of miracles at Cana.

When He described His coming resurrection He used the analogy of the temple destruction.

He did the exact same thing in John 6.

424 posted on 07/13/2015 5:59:32 AM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: rwa265
And Jesus never said “eating His flesh profits nothing.” He said the exact opposite.

And yet no one rushed to bite Him.

BAD A;postles!!

IGNORING a 'command' of the Lord!

425 posted on 07/13/2015 6:13:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mad Dawg
Aquinas quotes Augustine ...

Heck!

I've done that on this very thread!

426 posted on 07/13/2015 6:14:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imardmd1

The New Covenant is about Christ’s relationship is with His Bride, the church, of which you are a member.


Yes, but the Church is made up of individual members. And that is the key.

I see it this way: The character of a community is the totality of the character of its individual members. i.e. if there are lots of individual moral families in a community, it will be more moral than one that has few moral families. The Jesus of the New Covenant has a relationship individually with each member of the body, resulting in a healthy “whole” body.

It’s like a “bottom up” approach rather than a “top down” approach. So, just as the Old Covenant dealt with a group called Israel and the New Covenant deals with a group called the Church, the former deals very much with the group, and members are blessed, while the latter deals with the individual members, one on one, and the group is blessed. In both cases the member are blessed, of course.

It seems subtle, but it is really huge. With Christianity, God is VERY PERSONAL, as if you were the only human alive. In the Old Covenant, it’s not nearly as personal. It’s why it is so much better.


427 posted on 07/13/2015 6:14:37 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: imardmd1
Love one another
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 

428 posted on 07/13/2015 6:16:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Springfield Reformer

You must be a killer Scrabble player.

And lawyer.


429 posted on 07/13/2015 6:16:27 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: verga
People keep tossing this verse out but not keeping it in context. Jesus is not referring to His flesh. He does not say "My flesh...." He said "..the flesh..." John 6:63: “It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.” And Paul clarifies that quite nicely in Galatians. Gal 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary the one to the other; that ye may not do the things that ye would.

Those are the same Greek words for "the flesh," and let's also consider them with:

And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew, Catholic chapter eighteen, Protestant verse three,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

430 posted on 07/13/2015 6:16:31 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: imardmd1

Also, this is an excellent guide:
http://www.discipleshiptools.org/apps/articles/default.asp?articleid=36885&columnid=4189
49 Commands of Christ
By ITW Staff
What are 49 Ways to Love God and Others?

The theme of all Scripture is to love God with all of our hearts and to love one another.

(Read Matthew 22:40 and John 13:34.)

1. Repent-Matthew 4:17 Humility

2. Follow Me-Matthew 4:19 Meekness

3. Rejoice-Matthew 5:12 Joyfulness

4. Let Your Light Shine-Matthew 5:16 Generosity

5. Honor God’s Law-Matthew 5:17-18 Love

6. Be Reconciled-Matthew 5:24-25 Responsibility

7. Do Not Commit Adultery-Matthew 5:29-30 Self-Control

8. Keep Your Word-Matthew 5:37 Truthfulness

9. Go the Second Mile-Matthew 5:38-42 Deference

10. Love Your Enemies-Matthew 5:44 Creativity

11. Be Perfect-Matthew 5:48 Sincerity

12. Practice Secret Disciplines-Matthew 6:1-18 Faith

13. Lay Up Treasures-Matthew 6:19-21 Thriftiness

14. Seek God’s Kingdom-Matthew 6:33 Initiative

15. Judge Not-Matthew 7:1 Discernment

16. Do Not Cast Pearls-Matthew 7:6 Discretion

17. Ask, Seek, and Knock-Matthew 7:7-8 Resourcefulness

18. Do Unto Others-Matthew 7:12 Sensitivity

19. Choose the Narrow Way-Matthew 7:13-14 Decisiveness

20. Beware of False Prophets-Matthew 7:15 Alertness

21. Pray For Laborers-Matthew 9:38 Compassion

22. Be Wise as Serpents-Matthew 10:16 Wisdom

23. Fear Not-Matthew 10:26 Boldness

24. Hear God’s Voice-Matthew 11:15 Attentiveness

25. Take My Yoke-Matthew 11:29 Obedience

26. Honor Your Parents-Matthew 15:4 Honor/Reverence

27. Beware of Leaven-Matthew 16:6 Virtue

28. Deny Yourself-Luke 9:23 Determination

29. Despise Not Little Ones-Matthew 18:10 Tolerance

30. Go To Offenders-Matthew 18:15 Justice

31. Beware of Covetousness-Luke 12:15 Contentment

32. Forgive Offenders-Matthew 18:21-22 Forgiveness

33. Honor Marriage-Matthew 19:6 Loyalty

34. Be a Servant-Matthew 20:26-28 Availability

35. Be a House of Prayer-Matthew 21:13 Persuasiveness

36. Ask in Faith-Matthew 21:21-22 Patience

37. Bring in the Poor-Luke 14:12-14 Hospitality

38. Render to Caesar-Matthew 22:19-21 Gratefulness

39. Love the Lord-Matthew 22:37-38 Enthusiasm

40. Love Your Neighbor-Matthew 22:39 Gentleness

41. Await My Return-Matthew 24:42-44 Punctuality

42. Take, Eat, and Drink-Matthew 26:26-27 Thoroughness

43. Be Born Again-John 3:7 Security

44. Keep My Commandments-John 14:15 Diligence

45. Watch and Pray-Matthew 26:41 Endurance

46. Feed My Sheep-John 21:15-16 Dependability

47. Baptize My Disciples-Matthew 28:19 Cautiousness

48. Receive God’s Power-Luke 24:49 Orderliness

49. Make Disciples-Matthew 28:20 Flexibility


431 posted on 07/13/2015 6:16:44 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Gene Eric
That’s like so #ing mature...

Folks; this stuff just writes itself!

432 posted on 07/13/2015 6:17:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mad Dawg
It’s not yet 0700 and Im already running late.

I hear ya!

This FR addition will REALLY suck up millions of milliseconds of a person's life!

433 posted on 07/13/2015 6:18:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rwa265
“Amen, I say to you, whoever does not accept the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it.”


“Amen, I say to you, whoever does not accept the teachings of Rome like a child will be anathema."

434 posted on 07/13/2015 6:19:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
Gal 5:24 And they that are of Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with the passions and the lusts thereof.

Yup!

Rome re-crucifies Christ's flesh every time the HOST appears.


Hebrews 6:1-6    New International Version (NIV)

1 Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, instruction about cleansing rites, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. And God permitting, we will do so.

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

435 posted on 07/13/2015 6:24:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BlueDragon

FR needs a like button.


436 posted on 07/13/2015 6:33:51 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Why?

Our little opinions mean THAT much?


437 posted on 07/13/2015 6:38:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Well, it’s faster than typing a post to say, “Good post!”


438 posted on 07/13/2015 6:45:20 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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To: cuban leaf

Ps. 131.

Pretty personal.

Not really a counter-argument. An adumbration.


439 posted on 07/13/2015 6:46:55 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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To: Elsie; Mad Dawg
Rome re-crucifies Christ's flesh every time the HOST appears.

See Mad Dawg's posts up thread about all time and space being present to Jesus.

440 posted on 07/13/2015 6:57:36 AM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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