Posted on 07/14/2015 12:59:07 PM PDT by NYer
Ping!
Hey Vicar of Christ, stick to the spiritual.
Has any Pope in my lifetime “got” America?
Just send him “Road to Serfdom” by FA Hayek.
maybe he’ll learn something if he really does read the criticisms. He sounds to me like he’s never even considered that there’s less poverty where there is a more free economy.....
so.....now he is going to tailor his message to people in each country he visits, based on what they want to hear?
Pope Francis said his assertion in Bolivia on July 9 that this economy kills is something he believes and has explained in his exhortation The Joy of the Gospel and more recently in his encyclical on the environment. In the Bolivia speech to grass-roots activists, many of whom work with desperately poor people, the Pope described the predominant global economic system as having the mentality of profit at any price with no concern for social exclusion or the destruction of nature.
Asked if he planned to make similar comments in the United States despite the negative reaction his comments have drawn from some US pundits, politicians and economists, Pope Francis said that now that his trip to South America has concluded, he must begin studying for his September trip to Cuba and the United States; the preparation, he said, will include careful reading of criticisms of his remarks about economic life.
Lol! One of the things they have politely omitted is a very crude expression he used to explain himself to the reporters (equivalent to I’m not f’n with you). Personally, I think he’s an elderly leftist gone gaga and driven wild by the publicity and power - mostly to get back at his “enemies,” which would be orthodox Catholics.
Benedict. Read some of the speeches and interviews he gave during his visit here in April of 2008:
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Fr Lombardi: Thank you, Your Holiness. Now a question that refers to American society and, to be precise, to the place of religious values in American society. Let us give the floor to our colleague Andrea Tornielli, who is on the Vatican desk of an Italian newspaper.
Holy Father, in receiving the new Ambassador of the United States of America, you noted that the public “values the role of religious belief in ensuring a sound democratic order” in the United States. I wanted to ask you if you consider this a plausible model for a secularized Europe too, or whether you think there can also be the risk that religion and God’s Name could be used as a vehicle for certain policies, even war.
The Holy Father: Of course, in Europe we cannot simply copy the United States: we have our own history. But we must all learn from one another. What I find fascinating in the United States is that they began with a positive concept of secularity, because this new people was composed of communities and individuals who had fled from the State Church and wanted to have a lay, a secular State that would give access and opportunities to all denominations, to all forms of religious practice. Thus, an intentionally secular new State was born; they were opposed to a State Church. But the State itself had to be secular precisely out of love for religion in its authenticity, which can only be lived freely. And thus, we find this situation of a State deliberately and decidedly secular but precisely through a religious will in order to give authenticity to religion. And we know that in studying America, Alexis de Toqueville noticed that secular institutions live with a de facto moral consensus that exists among the citizens. This seems to me to be a fundamental and positive model. It should be taken into account that in Europe in the meantime, over 200 years have passed with many developments. Today, there is also in the United States the attack of a new secularism, quite a different kind. Whereas, at first the problems concerned immigration, but later in the course of history the situation became complicated and therefore differentiated. But the foundation, the fundamental model also seems to me today to be worthy of being borne in mind in Europe.
Can he just stay in Rome? We got enough false prophets here in the States. We don’t need another, even if he is just visiting.
Ditto! Religion is his field, altho he’s often off the path even there.
I’ve been thru a lot of Popes in my lifetime, and never saw one like this!!! Seems to love the limelight.
Nice. Quick kids, cover your ears -- the Pope is talking!
Very, very nice. Thank you so much for educating me! I miss him and think he was forced to step down for very dark reasons. (And no, that’s not a knock on Benedict.)
I think the problem is that he is extensively educated in economics.
Even in the US the odds of getting Friedman or Mises Austrian School of Economics oriented approach is about the same as winning the powerball jackpot.
So his extensive background follows the trend of most economic approaches of the 20th Century which is a Marxist approach.
So the odds of changing his mind is extremely small.
My pleasure. We all miss him. He is a brilliant, incisive theologian. This was part of his speech at the White House:
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“From the dawn of the Republic, America’s quest for freedom has been guided by the conviction that the principles governing political and social life are intimately linked to a moral order based on the dominion of God the Creator. The framers of this nation’s founding documents drew upon this conviction when they proclaimed the “self-evident truth” that all men are created equal and endowed with inalienable rights grounded in the laws of nature and of nature’s God. The course of American history demonstrates the difficulties, the struggles, and the great intellectual and moral resolve which were demanded to shape a society which faithfully embodied these noble principles. In that process, which forged the soul of the nation, religious beliefs were a constant inspiration and driving force, as for example in the struggle against slavery and in the civil rights movement. In our time too, particularly in moments of crisis, Americans continue to find their strength in a commitment to this patrimony of shared ideals and aspirations...
Freedom is not only a gift, but also a summons to personal responsibility. Americans know this from experience almost every town in this country has its monuments honoring those who sacrificed their lives in defense of freedom, both at home and abroad. The preservation of freedom calls for the cultivation of virtue, self-discipline, sacrifice for the common good and a sense of responsibility towards the less fortunate. It also demands the courage to engage in civic life and to bring ones deepest beliefs and values to reasoned public debate. In a word, freedom is ever new. It is a challenge held out to each generation, and it must constantly be won over for the cause of good (cf. Spe Salvi, 24). Few have understood this as clearly as the late Pope John Paul II. In reflecting on the spiritual victory of freedom over totalitarianism in his native Poland and in eastern Europe, he reminded us that history shows, time and again, that in a world without truth, freedom loses its foundation, and a democracy without values can lose its very soul (cf. Centesimus Annus, 46). Those prophetic words in some sense echo the conviction of President Washington, expressed in his Farewell Address, that religion and morality represent indispensable supports of political prosperity.”
http://benedictinamerica.blogspot.com/2008/04/benedicts-address-at-white-house.html
When this guy gets over here I’m waiting for his visits to where the poor live . When the TVs, air conditioners, refridgerators, and washing machines, will all suddenly dissappear from view. In any New York Times,Wapoo,CNN coverage as he launches his crusade against capitalism.
A Pope or Economist only God knows
“not had time to study them well”
He’s had many decades to study economics and hasn’t. What are the odds he won’t catch up in a week? He is typical of most from Catholic institutions.
DePaul has a good econ prof. But he is rare. One centuries long mistake is confusing what Jesus and the Bible tell Christians to do with forcibly imposing that religious practice on everyone through government.
A second mistake that is becoming increasingly common is the religion of Cain. Cain wanted to avoid answering God’s question. So Cain came up with Satan’s theology.
No, I am not my brother’s keeper. I am my brother’s brother. There is a big difference. They “keep” pets, prisoners, zoos, slaves, plantation dwellers. That is not the Christian way of relating to one’s brother.
I agree that the office has gone to his head. To be charitable, I think that the positive attention he's received from theological and political leftists, and the criticisms he's received from the right, has caused him to incline in leftists' direction. To quote H.I. McDunnough from the movie Raising Arizona, speaking of Reagan: "They say he's a decent man, so maybe his advisors are confused."
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