Posted on 07/22/2015 6:53:22 AM PDT by EBH
putting it simply, YES, he is socialist...
Absolutely.
He certainly detests free market capitalism.
He must be a Marxist. He took a shine to the Crucifix made in the form of a hammer and sickle given to him by a Marxist.
Is the Pope Catholic?
No the question is....
Is the Pope the old Soviet Bear -—— in the woods?
I don’t know the pope is socialist, but he comes from a country that has had socialist leadership, he comes from an order that has extolled socialist ideology, and he has himself been saying things that sound socialist.
On a scale of 1 to 100, with 100 meaning ‘definitely socialist’, I’d put this pope at about 80 right now. There’s more reason to think he is than that he isn’t.
Well, according to my Mother an “old Country” devout Catholic, he’s a communist.
NO.
When he says that capitalism is one of the greatest evils facing mankind......what else can he be Commie, Marxist, socialist, they’re all alike.
Is the Pope a socialist?
The question answers itself...
That is the phrase many of my Catholic family uses. “Catholic Socialism!”
Which begs a rather large question.
But he comes from Argentina-
They have many Military Dictator ships/juntas-
BUT “claim” to be free market capitalists- complete
lies- just like Bolivia-(communist), Venezuela(communist)
Argentina is moving to a socialist/communist hell hole-
If this dupe of a pope thinks the socialists in these
countries are going to help the poor-??? he is an idiot
Capitalism- has helped MORE poor than ANY other man made system- this “dupe “ should be preaching on saving your
soul, turning to CHRIST, prayer to GOD!!
JUST WAIT-— the encyclical on the “FAMILY” will show if
this priest is faithful- or another Judas- a fallen apostle
He’s a Peronist through and through.
It’s bad form to imply a communist is a socialist
It angers them both
Very very bad form
This is an excellent observation, I believe.
Catholic ping!
Assuming that is close to the Pope's summation of capitalism, I think he has it wrong.
Capitalism is less about the pursuit of wealth than it is a description of the state of fallen humans, that they will first seek their own good as a consequence of their selfish natures.
And I think that's Francis's belief about capitalism as well. He's saying what he's saying though because he doesn't want people to remain in that state, that fallen damaged state. That's the most charitable I can be given his statements on the economy.
My main objection to him is two-fold: 1. He doesn't seem to care about speaking precisely which may be all well and good even as a cardinal, but as Pope he simply doesn't have that luxury.
2. If he really does believe that capitalism is the natural product of fallen humanity, and this is why he speaks against it, he should, in my opinion, have a ready made suggestion about a better economic system or not speak about it at all. If he really does believe that capitalism is the best fallen man can do, economically, then he should state that clearly and also emphasize the solution to this whatever it might be, in other words. Bemoaning greed is one thing. We all know it's bad to be greedy. What's the best way out of that fallen state though, what's the best way to Jesus, in other words. THAT is what he should be focusing on, as Pope and even just as a shepherd of a flock. He's not an economist he wasn't "hired" to do that. He was chosen to lead the Church to Christ, not bemoan global warming or the pursuit of money over all else. < /rant >
1. I'm amazed at the number of people who are offended by the Corpus (image of the Crucified Jesus) on a Cross, who are weighing in on this issue: that of The Crucified being depicted on a symbol of what has caused so much evil, pain and heartache in its forms. Which forms? I'm sure, brethren, we can agree that the ideologies of communism, socialism, Marxism, Nazism are all of the same ilk: atheism; devotion to the false god of the state and its despot; the cruelest of murders to those unwanted, "inconvenient", unable to work to support the state.
What was that symbol in Roman times? The emperor who deemed himself a god and demanded tribute (with his face on it, besides); the gods of the Romans; and the cruelest and most ignominious weapon of destruction, designed to strike terror at its sight outside city walls: the cross. Given this, my first impression was that the monk who initially carved this was making a statement at how these related ideologies are the kind of scourge to Christianity today that crucifixion was in ancient Rome- and that Jesus would overcome, just as He did in His Suffering and Death on the Cross.
2. There once was a man named Giovanni Francesco di Bernadone, who went from being man-about-town to becoming the percieved village idiot. In his younger days he had a little education, and was about upper-middle class. Then something happened: he decided that whatever people thought of him, he'd put aside or give away what he had and instead hang out with all the "inconvenients"- because he had a love for all God made- even his enemies. I'm sure there were a lot of people scandalized that he went to visit the head of the Saracens (Muslims). Fact is, he was trying to make peace. It didn't happen.
What did happen was that he began a movement that changed the world for all time. He was St. Francis of Assisi, noted for his love of nature, and from whom Pope Francis took his name.
My point here is even heroes, even Our Savior Himself, had times in their lives when people were scandalized by whom they chose to hang out with, what they decided to do with their lives, and their opinions on things.
Do I think Pope Francis is a Socialist, Marxist, whatever? Pius XII was certainly no Fascist. St. John Paul was neither a Nazi nor a Communist. This is a man who is a lot more home-spun than the scholars we're used to. He not only comes from a different country than his predecessors, but a different continent in a different hemisphere. And, I believe in my heart that there's a reason why God put him where he is. He's definitely at his stage when he looks foolish in the eyes of the world. But the world isn't always the best barometer in spiritual matters. I watch and pray, because history has shown that sometimes its "fools" manage to really come through in a crunch- with God's help- and do more good than anyone ever expected...
OK people, we get the bear “jokes.” Can we move on please? Personally, the idea of someone defecating in church pews, whatever denomination, is repulsive and carrying things a bit too far. Catholic, Protestant, it’s still a place of worship being referred to. Justa-little-R*E*S*P*E*C*T (just a little bit?) for one another...
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