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Are you serious???
>>Very much so. You said the marriage of the Lamb takes place before the tribulation, you, then, have the burden of proof to produce the scripture in Revelation that actually SAYS THAT. If you can’t produce that scripture, then it must take place where Revelation SAYS it will – Rev. 19.

You admit there’s a LONG list of inferences that the rapture is pre-trib...
>> But that is all they are – inferences. That’s the point. In every one of them pretribs INFER two parousias, two comings. Which is not there at all, they only imagine it there, due to the presuppositions they bring to their Bible. There is really only one parousia, yet they see two everywhere. As if they have bifocals on or something.

Here’s another inference... (the last trump)
>>To INFER that 1 Cor. 15:52 refers to a pre-tribulation rapture, as pretribs all do, when the tribulation is not even mentioned in the passage, now THAT is an inference. Another in that long list of pretrib inferences I was talking about. Makes me wonder if you know what an inference is. If the post-trib sounding of the trumpet in Matt. 24:29-31 isn’t the “last” trump, I don’t what else you’d call it.

Being near??? Works for me and the Rapture...
>>The entire JW fiasco is based on that “come near” you are talking about (“parousia”), when Jesus supposedly came invisibly to them in 1917. Wrong “come near,” of course, but so is yours. The true “come near” is when Jesus “comes near” to us, meeting him on his descent to the earth, 1 Thess. 4, to rule and reign over it for a thousand years. To read a mystical pretrib event into the word “parousia” is…, well, here goes, another inference.

One (parousia) where Jesus ‘meets’ us in the air and we are caught up and the other (parousia) where Jesus lands on earth.
>>You are only making my point here, that pretribs actually believe in two parousias, two second comings of Jesus Christ, when the Bible does not use this terminology at all. The way to get around this, is to propose a “two stage second coming.” But where does Paul set this forth? It ain’t there. In that case, we’ll just have to INFER it, right? Inferences again.

This thread being evidence, with the times of antichrist very close, whether or not we get raptured out of here before the tribulation is becoming more intense by the day. What everybody needs, and you need, is scripture that actually and unequivocally spells out an additional second coming in black and white. And not an inference. Else all you have is a theory.

We DO have it black and white, of course, it’s right there in front of you. No need to infer anything. All you have to do is just believe Jesus (Matt. 24:29-31). Like I said, all these passages you see inferring two second comings, are really talking about the same one Jesus set forth.