Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

http://www.catholicchristiananswers.com ^ | August 12, 2015 | Jessie Neace

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“[26] When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. [27] After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own. John; Chapter 19

Christ instructed John to take Mary as his own mother. He did so. Christ said to his mother, John is your new son.

This does say anything beyond this.

“But then again, some people like to cherry pick the Bible. “

I wouldn’t accuse you or anyone of cherry-picking this passage and just to make it say things it does not. I’m just pointing out that it doesn’t say more than it actually says.

Best

[Romulus]

Some people just don’t want to know Jesus.

[ebb tide]

That’s crazy. That’s like saying Einstein’s mother was smarter than Einstein.

Twisted logic on your part.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Some people just don’t want to know Jesus.”

Who are these people? Please name names.
How do you know they don’t want to know Jesus? Maybe they really do.

[Mr. K]

And apparently God had other sons besides Jesus.

“Genesis 6:2-7 - that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.”

[ealgeone]

With that being said, Scripture and Tradition can never contradict one another.

When catholics pray to Mary they are contradicting Scripture.

And please, don't say catholics don't pray to Mary for there is far too much evidence to the contrary.

[Arthur McGowan]

Mary is the Mother of Jesus.

Jesus is God.

Therefore, Mary is the Mother of God.

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If you deny that Mary is the Mother of God, then you deny that Jesus is God.

[BillyBoy]

>> If Mary is the mother of G-d then she, by definition, is higher than G-d. <<

Sorry, that makes no logical sense at all.

Stanley Ann Dunham is the mother of President Obama. Is she therefore, by definition, "higher" than President Obama? Nope, and nobody would claim she is.

[Arthur McGowan]

Mary is the Mother of Jesus.

Jesus is God.

Therefore, Mary is the Mother of God.

If you deny that Mary is the Mother of God, then you deny that Jesus is God.

[Arthur McGowan]

Dorothy is the mother of Sam.
Sam is a fireman.
Therefore, Dorothy is the mother of a fireman.

Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Therefore, Mary is the mother of God.

[Kolokotronis]

"If anyone will not confess that the Emmanuel is very God, and that therefore the Holy Virgin is the Mother of God (Θεοτόκος), inasmuch as in the flesh she bore the Word of God made flesh [as it is written, “The Word was made flesh”] let him be anathema." 1st Anathema of +Cyril of Alexandria against the heresiarch Nestorius from the proceedings of the 3rd Ecumenical Council.

[ebb tide]

John, in his Gospel, stated, "Jesus therefore had seen his mother"

What part of that do you not understand. Was John lying? Was Mary not Jesus' Mother? Or is the Bible in error? Or is Jesus not God?

Dominus tecum

[Arthur McGowan]

Your conclusion is true only if you totally, completely, absolutely fail to understand what has always been meant by the title, “Mother of God.” It never, never, never meant to anyone that Mary is the mother of the eternal, Triune God. No Christian theologian has ever been moronic enough to think that the title meant that.

[WVKayaker]

Christianity has always acknowledged that Jesus is God.

Quite true, but not the point of the article. The title of God does not attach to anybody mortal. Jesus was/is fully God. Mary in Scripture was chosen as the vessel to bring Him into the human world.

But, then, Roman Catholics try and make their version into something never spoken of in Scripture. They attribute all sort of sorcery and mysticism into their cultic ideas, and try to send people down that rabbit hole.

To those with the Holy Ghost indwelling, we know the Father's plan of salvation. It is quite simple. It requires simple faith and resting in His Grace. But, Roman Catholics want to distract and pervert that message with claims of some fictional woman's ability to redeem us like Christ. They tout all sorts of mystical visions to support their UNScriptiral ideas and policies. They are a cult.

God chose to provide us with a CLEAR path to eternal life with Him. He gives us simple instructions. He did not provide an alternate plan!

No matter how many believe believe a lie, it is still a lie! No matter how old an organization grows, if it does not provide the Truth of God's plan, then it is an abomination to God. Simply repeating the same things again and again does not add to the Truth. It only deceives those who do not know better!

John 3: 11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.[e] 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. ****

Matthew 24: 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

[ealgeone]

>>With that being said, Scripture and Tradition can never contradict one another.

Mary was conceived without original sin. Nor did She commit any sins during Her earthly life.

Which contradicts the Old and New Testaments that all have sinned and all are sinners and all fall short of the glory of God.

So again we find a catholic teaching leaning more on tradition that Scripture.

From catholic encyclopedia online:(http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=6056)

No direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture.

Yet roman catholicism plows right on and tries to find it through a very poor translation of Luke 1:28.

Nor can the catholic rely upon the "unanimous consent of the fathers" for Origen, St. Basil and St Chrysostom deny she was sinless.

So here we have admission from catholic sources this concept is not found in scripture, it is not supported by the ECFs, which means it is contradiction to not only Scripture but catholic tradition as well.

Yet roman catholicism continues to advance this false teaching regarding Mary.

And we won't even go into this false teaching:

When therefore we read in the writings of Saint Bernard, Saint Bernardine, Saint Bonaventure, and others that all in heaven and on earth, even God himself, is subject to the Blessed Virgin, they mean that the authority which God was pleased to give her is so great that she seems to have the same power as God. Her prayers and requests are so powerful with him that he accepts them as commands in the sense that he never resists his dear mother’s prayer because it is always humble and conformed to his will.... — St. Louis de Montfort, in Treatise on True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin, #27, 246. http://www.ewtn.com/library/Montfort/TRUEDEVO.HTM

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Mary is the Mother of Jesus.

Agree.

“Jesus is God.

Agree.

“Therefore, Mary is the Mother of God.

Disagree.

“If you deny that Mary is the Mother of God, then you deny that Jesus is God.”

Disagree.

[Charles Henrickson]

Historically, to call Mary “Mater Dei” or “Theotokos” is a confession about CHRIST, affirming his divinity and the mystery of the incarnation. One can and should safely say that much. To do so is **not** the same as buying into wrong beliefs and practices concerning Mary. I say this as a confessional Lutheran minister who rejects the errors of the Roman and Greek churches on this.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“What part of that do you not understand. Was John lying? Was Mary not Jesus’ Mother? Or is the Bible in error? Or is Jesus not God?”

Mary was his earthly mother.

That doesn’t not mean she created God.

She bore God. She didn’t create God through conception. Jesus existed as God from all eternity.

The verse you quote does not give Mary the title Mother of God. That is a human addition to what God said.

Best.

[Southside_Chicago_Republican]

Excellent point. In my Orthodox parish, the chanter had been using an English translation that rendered “Theotokos” as “Mother of God.” I had usually heard it translated “birthgiver of God.” When our bishop visited, he corrected the chanter during the service. Since then, he has chanted “Theotokos.”

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Excellent point. In my Orthodox parish, the chanter had been using an English translation that rendered “Theotokos” as “Mother of God.” I had usually heard it translated “birthgiver of God.” When our bishop visited, he corrected the chanter during the service. Since then, he has chanted “Theotokos.””

Go Bishop!