Posted on 10/03/2015 11:34:10 AM PDT by NYer
On the eve of the Synod, a homosexual priest working for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and teaching at a university in Rome publicly announced himself to be a homosexual and that he has a “companion”. He took advantage of the imminent Synod and recent news stories about the “gay friendly” Pope Francis to come out and also to issue an absurd 10 point “manifesto” demanding that the Church change her teachings about homosexuality.
Keep in mind that even were the Church to do that – in his dreams – it wouldn’t be enough. Nothing is enough for militant “gays”.
The Holy See’s reaction? He’s fired from his positions.
ChurchMilitant has a pretty summary of the train wreck that occurred.
ROME, October 3, 2015 (ChurchMilitant.com) – A Polish priest working at the Congregration for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) has admitted his homosexuality [poor man] and issued a manifesto demanding changes to Church teaching. [deluded man]
The priest, Msgr. Krzysztof Charamsa, is a professor at the Pontifical Gregorian University [a Jesuit institution] and has been on the Vatican’s International Theological Commission since 2009. [big deal]
In a video released yesterday by the Polish LGBT activist group Artyku? osiemnasty, Msgr. Charamsa declares his homosexuality [poor man] and admits to having a boyfriend. [deluded man]
Also released along with the video was a 10-point manifesto of demands. [deluded man]
1. Disposal of homophobia and anti-gay discrimination[…]2. Condemnation of punishment for homosexuality
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3. Cessation of the Church’s interference in guaranteeing human rights by democratic states
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4. Canceling incompetent and prejudicial documents
We demand the Pope revise the Catechism and repeal all the cruel documents that are incompetent to deal with the issue of homosexual persons, who are the object both of the Church’s compassion and stigmatization — in particular, the documents of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the heir to the Holy Inquisition. Unacceptable documents include:
a) the declaration Persona Humana from 1975, [let’s all make sure to re-read it!] discussing among other things the “pathological constitution” of homosexual persons, which by their nature supposedly “have difficulty adjusting socially” and carry an “disorder” that “without the necessary and significant adjustment” is considered a “depravity”;
b) Letter on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons of 1986, [an excellent, thoughtful and charitable document] which calls for “compassion” for homosexuals, who “suffer” from same-sex attraction, and which accepts the existence of “fair discrimination” against homosexuals and rejects only “unjust discrimination” against them;
c) the outrageous Considerations Concerning the Response to Legislative Proposals on the Non-Discrimination of Homosexual Persons in 1992; [Find it HERE]
d) Considerations Regarding Proposals to Legalize Unions Between Homosexual Persons from 2003, [Find it HERE] according to which homosexuality is “devoid of any genuine affective maturity,” and homosexual relationships are devoid of any “human and ordered form of sexual relations”;
e) the Catechism of the Church Catholic, sections 2357–2359, teaches that not only same-sex acts but also homosexual orientation are “objectively disordered.” It also emphasizes that by nature, homosexuals have no emotional complementarity with other human persons they love. And it adds that for most of us orientation is a difficult experience requiring compassion toward our neighbor, but not without avoiding just discrimination. How does the Church know what is our suffering and difficulty? Well, it is not sexual orientation, but homophobia from the Church. Learning via the Catechism is offensive, apart from the fact that the very definition of homosexuality is deficient, if not quite false. The analysis of the situation of homosexual persons is also deficient.
5. Immediate cancellation of discriminatory instructions about denying the priesthood to homosexual persons
We demand that the Pope immediately abolish regrettable instructions about refusing the ordination of homosexuals, endorsed by Pope Benedict XVI in 2005. [I say STRENGTHEN IT NOW! Find it HERE]
6. Initiate a serious interdisciplinary scientific reflection over the morality of human sexuality
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7. Revision of the interpretation of biblical texts on homosexuality
We demand that the Church treat seriously the question of its own interpretation of the Bible, freeing itself of fundamentalism, noting verses that talk about homosexual people, never condemning them, and contextualizing biblical texts that address homogenital acts.
8. Adoption of ecumenical dialogue with our Lutheran and Anglican brothers about homosexuality
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9. The need to ask for forgiveness toward homosexuals
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10. Respect for and belief in homosexuals and change in the distorted position of the Church on what a homosexual Christian life should look like
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Text of “Gazeta Wyborcza” received from Fr. Christopher Charamsy via Vox Cantoris. Translation slightly edited for clarity.
Interview Transcript:
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Msgr. Charamsa is expected to give a press conference on Saturday at noon in Rome. [Link to Corriere della sera – the conference was held in a restaurant]
The Holy See has reacted by firing this priest from his position at the CDF and his teaching jobs.
From the Bollettino today:
Traduzione in lingua inglese
With regard to the declarations and interview given by Msgr. Krzystof Charamsa it should be observed that, notwithstanding the respect due to the events and personal situations, and reflections on the issue, the decision to make such a pointed statement on the eve of the opening of the Synod appears very serious and irresponsible, since it aims to subject the Synod assembly to undue media pressure. Msgr. Charamsa will certainly be unable to continue to carry out his previous work in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Pontifical universities, while the other aspects of his situation shall remain the competence of his diocesan Ordinary.
[01621-EN.01] [Original text: Italian – working translation]
There is no way that recent news items did not play a role in precipitating this coming out party.
This priest is now done … as a priest. His ordinary gets to deal with him now.
The sodomites are emboldened. I suspect that this will sooner or later break out in violent demonstrations and protests.
Now more than ever, bishops need to make sure that their seminarians are heterosexual and clear about the Church’s teachings, especially about the pastoral care of homosexual persons.
Moreover, I suggest to priests and bishops that they increase their situational awareness, even with specialized training, and secure their residences and increase security at their parishes and institutions.
Catholic ping!
Unintended consequences
Follow up to your earlier post, ping!
Oh look. A Jesuit...
I hope more come out, so they too can be fired.
About time the Church got rid of the Lavender Mafia.
The same mafia that is responsible for 99% of the sexual abuse. . .(like a life of celibacy would make a healthy heterosexual male want to have sex with young boys. . .)
I remember once watching Headline News a long while back. On this particular report was the video of a woman priest (the first for this particular denomination, Episcopal I think) and how there were literally hundreds of “priests” there for this ordination.
Most will know that an ordination need not be so elaborate or have so many people attend, especially of the church hierarchy. The whole church full of “priests” raised a hand and leaned forward on each other and those closest to her laid hands on her, to “ordain!’ Okay...but then it struck me...I’ll speak as if it were those priests...”God said no, but all of us together overcome God and make it what we want!”
Same here...same always with gays in the church. I have zero problem letting them come to my church, party, home, outings and such, but when the homosexual demands that we tell God to go pound sand, they are acting as an enemy of God and should not be allowed to do so openly.
The fact he’s gone public in this act of defiance and hasn’t been relieved says a lot about this Francis’s agenda...
...remember to vote with your pocketbook.
I gave up on them years ago. The RCC is clearly incapable of internal reform. The fact that they had this priest in the Vatican in a position relating to doctrine (!) tells you all you need to know. The Lavender Mafia controls the Church from top to bottom. It's controlled the RCC for as long as I had anything to do with the RCC, and I can only imagine that boy love has always been part and parcel of RCC culture going back centuries.
In my parish I resisted all attempts to make me an altar boy. My gut told me putting on what looked a dress (cossack) and doing what the priest told me to do was not good.
Excommunicate the man for committing mortal sin. This guy is as bad as the preachers who sell out and accept gays and lesbians. Seems a number of these folks forget the message of not adding to the words of the bible and not taking away. The consequences are clearly stated.
An additional but unstated “demand” being unfettered access to 10 to 12 year old alter boys and indemnity in the event anyone sues for being sodomized.
Catholic priesthood has been a safe haven for homosexuals for hundreds of years. The perfect cover. My father was an ex-seminarian and said his class was loaded with homosexuals in the 1950’s.
He has a “partner? “. So his vows meant nothing? The Church isn’t goi g to persecute anyone for being gay - just don’t lie and pretend you are a faithful priest
He’s betrayed his church and flock. typical narcissistic, selfish homo
A few years ago I had a man working for me whose wife was a Native Hawaiian devout Catholic, who had moved with her husband to Boston.
She had a catering business and catered a Jesuit affair. She swore that it was a homosexual get together. She never felt so betrayed in her life.
What's your explanation for these?
It tells you that priests who entered seminaries after the 2nd Vatican council (1962-65) but before the avalanche of "the cruel documents that are incompetent to deal with the issue of homosexual persons" starting with Persona Humana (1975) and intensifying in 1990's (the list is in the article), -- were often gay. It also tells you that a closeted gay priest can rise to position of influence in the Church so long as he remains closeted. He comes out, -- he's fired.
Find something else to worry about in whatever religion you got yourself.
He's been fired from all his assignments (CDF and the University.) His "Ordinary" (diocesan bishop) or religious superior has to deal with him now. As has been noted earlier, he should be instantly deprived of his priestly faculties, and put on the fast track for an canonical laicization. But that's not the Pope's job.
I'm no expert on Canao Law, but I'm guessing it would be the Vicar for Rome, which as of the list in Wikipedia would be, at present, Cardinal Agostino Vallini.
well isn’t that special?
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