Full Speech of Metropolitan Hilarion (Russian Orthodox) to the Roman Catholic Synod

Russian Orthodox Church ^ | 10-21-2015 | Metropolitan Hilarion of Volokolamsk

[RitaOK]

Best post ever. Thanks for the full text link.

[markomalley]

But, forced behavior modification does not save, either…

Traditional Catholic doctrine (not what you are reading from what Bergoglio teaches or the majority of current, leftist US bishops) teaches the same thing.

Traditional Catholic doctrine talks about individuals behaving according to gospel values far more than government imposing those values (forced redistribution, etc). It respects private property. If you were to read from Leo XIII, Pius X, Pius XI, Pius XII (and to a large degree, JPII and Benedict XVI), you'd see exactly that.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Yes I think that teaching is correct. But I very much appreciate what Bergoglio is saying. Overall he is spot on. The basic principle applies to every kind of society. It was just that one part that I wondered about, given the historical background he comes from. Maybe I misunderstood him.

[NRx]

“The goal of human freedom is not in freedom itself, nor it is in man, but in God. By giving man freedom, God has yielded to man a piece of His Divine authority, but with the intention that man himself would voluntarily bring it as a sacrifice to God, a most perfect offering. “

- St. Theophan the Recluse

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Thank you for the quote. I have never read it before.

[deputytess]

Thank you. :)

[Cronos]

I believe most Orthodox liturgies are similarly beautiful, and Eastern Catholic as well. We Roman Catholics have lost a lot since Vatican II

As a Catholic, I don't see you moving to an Orthodox Church as "converting", but more as "moving within the One Church" -- the Orthodox are our spiritual brothers in Christ and we are all "we" :)

[Claud]

beautiful, majestic and spiritually stirring, all things in praise of God should be. Sometimes at an RC Mass I feel like it’s a drive thru service. Just a lot of talk and gestures.

Have you ever been to a traditional Latin Mass?

The Mrs. and I felt the exact same way. We've been members of traditional parishes for 12 years now and haven't looked back. We got married in the old rite, baptized all our kids in it, and attend it almost exclusively, even though we have had to drive almost an hour each way to get to one.

It's that worth it.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

Look for a Tridentine Mass in your area. If you can't find one at a diocesan parish you're perfectly within your rights to attend an SSPX Chapel.

I'm blessed to attend a Tridentine High Mass every week and I can't imagine having to go to the Novus Ordo.

[deputytess]

I’m a Boomer so it was all Latin until 4th grade. After that it was V2 all the way. We moved at the same time so it was a culture shock. There is a church 10 miles away that does a Tridentine service. I have off this Sunday so I’ll go. Thanks for the suggestions and support. God keep you all.

[LovedSinner]

Why don’t you just look for a Catholic Church with a traditional liturgy. Some offer the Latin Mass for example, which has expanded greatly the past few years. Do a Google search if you wish.

[Claud]

Ah I see. We’re Gen X so we never grew up with it.

Hopefully this’ll be like recovering a part of what you lost back then. God bless and I’m sure many of us would like to hear your thoughts on the experience if you feel up to it. :)

[deputytess]

Will do. Thanks :)