Abba or Allah: 2 Views of the 1 God (Loving Father vs Slave Master)

Catholic Stand ^ | December 16, 2015 | Matthew Schneider, LC

[NYer]

Insightful, ping!

[trisham]

Good article, but I remain unconvinced that we worship the same God. How can that be, when their description of God is so different from ours?

[beethovenfan]

The Allah of Islam is NOT the same as the God of the Bible. The Islamic writings describe Allah as the “master deceiver” or something similar; i.e. he lies. The God of the Bible cannot tell a lie. Satan is described as a “liar and the father of lies”. Sounds rather like Allah to me.

[piytar]

“We worship the same God”

Um, no. There are many other falsehoods in this article. Ugh.

[piytar]

Lots of good stuff from in the article, though...

[mj1234]

agree- bump

[VerySadAmerican]

GW Bush says he prays to the same god that muslims pray to.

[trisham]

That’s his problem.

[NYer]

I remain unconvinced that we worship the same God. How can that be, when their description of God is so different from ours?

Monotheistic vs polytheistic, like Hinduism.

[trisham]

I know that’s the argument, but I don’t agree.

[softengine]

GW Bush says he prays to the same god that muslims pray to.

No surprise there.

[softengine]

Thank you.

[pacific_waters]

IS it any wonder sop many Catholics have turned their backs on the faith?

[Gamecock]

**We worship the same God but that doesn’t mean we understand him the same way.**

Well, at least the author’s view is consistent with the Catholic Catechism.

[Mrs. Don-o]

There are two senses to this. (Please don't think this is equivocatkon, because it isn't: it makes sense.)

1. The One True God is the Supreme Being, eternal, infinite, and all-powerful, beyond time and space, who created all things, visible and in visible, out of nothing. He is the Lawgiver, and He will judge all of mankind on the Last Day. A person who believes in this Supreme Being believes--- to that extent--- in the One True God.

2. On the other hand, many "ethical monotheists" believe different things about this one true God, and some of the things they believe are false.
   • Deists, "Oneness Pentecostals", Jews and Muslims deny that God is a Trinity.
   • Jews and Muslims reject the New Testament.
   • Sikhs say "There is One God, There is no Hindu, there is no Muslim" and claim both Hindu and Muslim gurus; Muslims themselves say this is blasphemy
   • and so on and so forth.

So in the sense that the ethical monotheists acknowledge the Supreme Being, the Creator, Lawgiver and Judge of All, they are acknowledging the One God. This would be Jews, Christians, and Muslims, and likewise Zoroastrians, Bahá'í, Sikhs, and maybe the followers of Aten and Manitou, to the extent that they rejected polytheism and said there is but One God.

In the sense of what are the attributes of this God, who are His authentic prophets, gurus or priests, what are His approved Scriptures, what exactly are His laws -- in these ways, you've got stark and irreconcilable differences.

[HossB86]

Yup. CCC 841 pretty much tells the tale for the Catholic Church.

Hoss

[caww]

The author fell off the rail as soon as he wrote....”We worship the same God but that doesn’t mean we understand him the same way.”.......

Islam isn’t a religion....... it’s is a total ‘system of life’ containing ‘within itself’ a particular ‘social’system, ‘judicial’ system, and ‘political’ system which includes geo-political aspirations - the conquest and administration of territory. ................ it elevates the ‘material obedience’ to the dictates of the Islamic doctrine above all consideration of Truth or Goodness. Morality, conformity and even legality are all one and the same in Islam.

Islam itself is a a substitute God for Muslims. Worship is defined as ‘obedience TO ISLAM to it’s doctrines... who’s chief goal is to perpetuate ‘itself’ from one generation to the other......and subordinates everything ‘to itself’.

In Islam....there is no higher truth than Islam, no higher good than Islam and nothing more beautiful than Islam. Islam has replaced God,...its ultimate goal is not to lead men to seek those higher values religions center on...nor a more intimate relationship with God. It simply exists for itself.

a doctrine and only a doctrine, it is no longer a living faith. It is dead. Islam may be complex and it maybe logical, but it is logic in the absence of living truth.

[Mrs. Don-o]

This will be, I think, of interest to you:

#14

Per a recent Vatican statement, "Confessing the universal and therefore also exclusive mediation of salvation through Jesus Christ is the core of of the Christian faith."

[Mark17]

Affirmative sir.