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The Virgin Birth: Where Science Meets Scripture PUTTING JESUS TO THE DNA TEST
New Oxford Review ^ | December 2015 | Maria Hsia Chang

Posted on 01/04/2016 9:38:32 AM PST by SweetAkitoRose

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To: TBP

I don’t know the cause of Mr Jenner’s sexual dysphoria (I’m not ruling out spiritual oppression - this stuff isn’t all about genetics) but he certainly used to have testes.


21 posted on 01/04/2016 11:48:34 AM PST by agere_contra (Hamas has dug miles of tunnels - but no bomb-shelters.)
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Mary came from the same lineage as Joseph, Jesus was equally the hereditary King of the Jews from his mother’s side — as well as from Joseph, who was married to his mother which made Jesus his legal son and heir. He was true royalty, the rightful King of the Jews, although at that time there was no Jewish monarchy, and Israel was a province of Rome.


22 posted on 01/04/2016 11:49:42 AM PST by erkelly
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To: SweetAkitoRose
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

I don't need no stinking "science" to prove Who Jesus is.

23 posted on 01/04/2016 11:54:42 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Satan attacks weaklings, by demographic.)
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I don't need no stinking "science" to prove Who Jesus is.

Agreed! If an article like this could increase my faith, then what would happen to my faith if the article was debunked? It's interesting, but really kind of silly.

24 posted on 01/04/2016 12:02:23 PM PST by Tao Yin
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To: agere_contra
but he certainly used to have testes.

He still does.

It would seem that he lacks the courage of his convictions. He'll be back when this current ploy is no longer of any use to him professionally.

25 posted on 01/04/2016 12:26:44 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is simply majoritarianism. It is incompatible with real freedom.)
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To: Tao Yin; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; BlueDragon; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; ...

Exactly.

The irony is that if there’s all this demand for Jesus to be born of a perfect sinless mother because He’s perfect and sinless, then no way he’s going to be an XX male.

You’re absolutely correct that making our faith dependent on man’s confirmation of Scripture is a dangerous road to take and will lead to disaster.


26 posted on 01/04/2016 12:28:09 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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"But if he’s only Mary’s son and not Joseph’s, then that lineage is irrelevant and the point it’s making is moot."

To a Christian it is very relevant. In fact it is a point of great comfort since a Christian is born from above on a reality plane not readily visible to the eye but nevertheless very real, albeit the outworking of such may take years to be seen in evidence. Joseph gave his name and parenthood to Jesus. Joseph raise the babe up in the Way that He should go, on the human plane.The process of being born from above is analogous to the adoption Joseph offered to the Child. In that regard, Jesus was Joseph's son also, by adoption, just as a Christian is a child of God by adoption and God extending His family name and honor to that born-from-above new creation.

Too often, we are mired in too strict a framework, like accepting ONLY the DNA understanding we have today as the ultimate knowledge of 'how it's done'. But of course we have not a clue how DNA would account for the non-physical 'virtual reality' of the soul and spirit.

27 posted on 01/04/2016 3:14:40 PM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: SweetAkitoRose

Jesus could inherit His title of King through Mary if Mary did not have any brothers to get the birth right. It then will skip down through Mary and into her first born son providing she marries someone from her own tribe. Jesus through adoption also inherits through Joseph. He likely double inherited His titles.


28 posted on 01/04/2016 3:23:21 PM PST by Bellflower (It's not that there isn't any evidence of God, it's that everything is evidence of God.)
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Yes that is true. The ancient Hebrew zodiac also told of the virgin birth as did all ME zodiacs. It also foretells the gospel. Is it possible that those other virgin birth stories had the same origin as the bible? Clearly, the bible teaches that God spoke to man even before Abraham.

What makes the bible special is the specificity of prophecy throughout the Old Testament. All telling of the messiahs birth, life, death and resurrection. As matter of history, the old testament was translated to Greek in the 3rd century BCE. It was in black and white, so to speak, nearly 3 centuries before the events happened.

29 posted on 01/04/2016 3:32:15 PM PST by D Rider
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Has it occurred to you that the stories might have been written the way they were with knowledge of the prophecies, to MAKE them conform?


30 posted on 01/04/2016 10:00:43 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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Yep. Too many corroborating historical accounts. Also prophecies tend to be contradictory until fulfilled. Time codes were also discovered beginning last century based on fixed historical markers. It’s good to be skeptical, but you need to do your research before blowing it off.


31 posted on 01/05/2016 3:51:06 AM PST by D Rider
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The people who wrote the Bible were Jews and well aware of the Jewish prophecies. If they were telling the story of the Messiah, then it would have to fulfill the prophecies. Thus, they would have an interest in making sure it did, wouldn’t they?


32 posted on 01/05/2016 8:50:28 AM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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Your missing the point. And no, Jews did not want the suffering servant messiah, they were looking for the conquering king messiah. Please, first clearly understand the message. Then study to see if it makes sense that the message is a confabrication of man or if it contains a message that transcends space and time. Or not, your choice.


33 posted on 01/05/2016 9:20:51 AM PST by D Rider
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To: SweetAkitoRose

Interesting. Thx


34 posted on 01/06/2016 1:29:29 PM PST by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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