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Order of Dependency for the Bible-believing Christian
January 30, 2016 | Robert E. Patenaude, Th.D.

Posted on 01/30/2016 7:34:43 AM PST by John Leland 1789

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1 posted on 01/30/2016 7:34:43 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789
whether anyone has the courage to continue to call the United States a Christian Nation, or not,

Courage???

More like stupidity.

It's obvious and has been for quite awhile that the US hasn't been a Christian nation.

Some might argue, we were never a TRULY Christian nation, but a nation built on laws with Christian foundations and a sizeable Christian population.

I doubt if at any time after 1776 that we ever had a population that was ever 50% or more true Christians.

2 posted on 01/30/2016 7:46:13 AM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: John Leland 1789

The opiate of the masses as preached by the Marxists.


3 posted on 01/30/2016 7:51:57 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: John Leland 1789

My order of dependency starts with the Gospels and flows out from there.

I know that to some that makes me a ‘bad Christian’ because I don’t care about preaching the most to get a big mansion, or telling people who God wants them to vote for.

So be it. God will judge me.


4 posted on 01/30/2016 7:53:04 AM PST by 20yearsofinternet
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To: mountn man

I thought we are are against Sharia law.


5 posted on 01/30/2016 7:56:26 AM PST by sakic
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To: John Leland 1789
When politicians talk about their allegiance to God and Country, in that order, most people do not get terribly excited and ignore it as background noise. But people sit up, take notice and resist when politicians exhibit allegiance to a religious mass movement and country, in that order. This is one of Cruz's mistakes. He would be wise to follow the advice of the author of the article and put his church at #4 instead of equating it with God Himself.
6 posted on 01/30/2016 7:59:27 AM PST by snarkpup (My goal in life is to die of old age before the country does.)
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To: John Leland 1789

Give to Caesar that which is ceasar’s. Give to God that which is God’s


7 posted on 01/30/2016 8:01:34 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: John Leland 1789
Ironically, a whole lot of evangelical Christians wouldn't consider voting for John F. Kennedy in 1960 until he said, in essence, that his Catholic faith and his governance lived in two different compartments and wouldn't inform each other.

Precinding from the question of whether it was a good idea to vote for Kennedy anyway -- it wasn't -- this is just wrong. It was wrong for Kennedy to say it and wrong for him to mean it. And it was wrong for evangelicals, who ought to have known better, to require Kennedy to commit to being a hypocrite and to governing like an agnostic in order to earn their support. (Being a Kennedy, this was of course very easy for him.)

Hopefully we've gotten past that sort of thing. I'm a Catholic. Ted Cruz is an evangelical. I wouldn't be supporting him if I thought his Christian faith wouldn't inform his decision making.

8 posted on 01/30/2016 8:10:45 AM PST by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: mountn man
Some might argue, we were never a TRULY Christian nation, but a nation built on laws with Christian foundations and a sizeable Christian population.

Correct. Wasn't it John Adams that said our system of government was setup for a wholly moral people and totally inadequate for any other?

9 posted on 01/30/2016 8:18:39 AM PST by sauropod (I am His and He is mine.)
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To: John Leland 1789

“whether anyone has the courage to continue to call the United States a Christian Nation”

It’s not about courage, it’s about facts. The country has unmoored itself from its founding principals, morals, history, and purpose. It is a secular nation now, where “every man (and woman) does what is right (what feels good) in his own eyes (how he/she sees perceives the world)”. It seems God has removed his lamp from this nation and it is sliding into the abyss.

It may be too late to save it or turn it around. The Obama regime has several months yet to work, like devils that know they have a short time.


10 posted on 01/30/2016 8:32:24 AM PST by bluejean (The lunatics are running the asylum)
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To: John Leland 1789

I don’t see a live source to click on.


11 posted on 01/30/2016 8:36:47 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: John Leland 1789
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


The People of the United States, at the time, established the Constitution specifically for those things mentioned in its Preamble. It was never intended to subjugate the rights granted to ALL, by Almighty God - including the right to life for those in the womb.

No banner, nor affiliation of men, will long survive in the face of the creator of the universe. So having the good sense to recognize such, unlike many today, the founders based our mutual declaration upon God's natural law. America benefited greatly from their insight. Today, such wisdom is as scarce as hen's teeth in D.C., and we suffer accordingly.


"if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land."

12 posted on 01/30/2016 9:09:35 AM PST by amorphous
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To: Salvation

You are at the source. Copy and paste.


13 posted on 01/30/2016 12:45:58 PM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: Nifster

Who is Caesar in the United States?


14 posted on 01/30/2016 12:49:49 PM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789; Admin Moderator; Religion Moderator

Where is the article by Robert E. Patenaude, Th.D. that you copied and pasted? Where is that source?

Live link is always requested on the posting form.


15 posted on 01/30/2016 1:45:46 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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the govt....are you that daft????


16 posted on 01/30/2016 5:48:24 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Salvation

Please read the guidelines at my profile page.

Click on my name to see them

“When quoting a source, e.g. a website, article or book - be sure to include sufficient source information for the moderators to enforce copyright restrictions.”

A live link is not always required.


17 posted on 01/30/2016 6:19:04 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: mountn man

Whole libraries exist documenting the Christian influence, the church influence, the pastoral influence on the foundlings of our nation. Many books have been published over the past 200 years documenting the correspondences between our founding fathers and pastors throughout the original colonies. The influence of the Virginia Baptists on Madison and the reasoning behind the Bill of Rights, the First Amendment in particular is all well documented.


18 posted on 02/01/2016 6:41:42 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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This is entitled, "The Order of Dependency for Bible-Believing Christians." It is for Bible-believing Christians, not secularists or simply nominal (in belief or practice) "Christians," or for liberal denominational types.

It says nothing about any laws or ordinances enacted or to be enacted by civil government. It does mention Obamacare as an illustration of law that people and families who depend on God and the ways of God's provision for our lives loathe and abhor.

There is available the U.S. Government's list (I have a copy supplied by U.S. Senator Joe Donelly---no Republican would take the time to get it for me for some reason) of all religious churches and societies the members of which are exempted from Obamacare. Those churches and societies were able to convince the feds that their dependency was on God to the degree that they could not comply with the mandates of Obamacare. The feds exempted them---

And THIS is what I am talking about. The Christian's dependency upon God should be so obvious, so pronounced, and so observable that civil government would rather back off than oppose the faith of God's people.

19 posted on 02/01/2016 6:55:12 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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Upon what authority would anyone ever call the United States federal government “Caesar?”


20 posted on 02/01/2016 6:56:10 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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