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Is It Ever OK to Lie?
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 02-02-16 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 02/03/2016 6:37:39 AM PST by Salvation

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This should be a good discussion.

Remember the Commandment, though: "Thou shalt not bear false witness."

1 posted on 02/03/2016 6:37:39 AM PST by Salvation
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Monsignor Pope Ping!


2 posted on 02/03/2016 6:38:48 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Given the society we live in and how we conservatives are viewed by social workers, I’ve been telling my kids to lie to authority figures from Day 1...that is unless they want to be getting brand new parents.


3 posted on 02/03/2016 6:39:52 AM PST by BobL (Who cares? He's going to build a wall and stop this invasion.)
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To: Salvation

In war, yes.


4 posted on 02/03/2016 6:41:15 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Salvation

It’s not OK to lie when you don’t have to.

Imagine the Gestapo is asking you for info about your family. Are you supposed to tell them the factual truth?


5 posted on 02/03/2016 6:41:20 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Salvation
Remember the Commandment, though: "Thou shalt not bear false witness."

"...against thy neighbor."

A very specific kind of lie. And completely unjustifiable. In the given Ann Frank example, I do not believe that commandment would apply.

6 posted on 02/03/2016 6:41:32 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Why do we give our hearts to the past? And why must we grow up so fast?)
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To: Salvation
Lying is never OK.

In the example of Anne Frank, given in the OP, the proper response would be no response.

7 posted on 02/03/2016 6:43:02 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Salvation

Its ok to lie when somebody has been wounded badly and they want your opinion. They ask just tell them they look good you’ll be ok. Tell them it’s not that bad even though their buddies are freaking out just looking at them trying not to show it on their faces.


8 posted on 02/03/2016 6:44:07 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Salvation

It is never okay to lie. If necessary to avoid the truth for safety reasons, etc. deflection or avoidance should be used, imo. But not out and out lying.


9 posted on 02/03/2016 6:44:17 AM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: Salvation

That depends on who you’d be lying to.


10 posted on 02/03/2016 6:45:14 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

“Imagine the Gestapo is asking you for info about your family. Are you supposed to tell them the factual truth?”

Yep, when doctors ask irrelevant questions like stuff from the past and whether one owns guns, one should SERIOUSLY consider lying, as we have NO CLUE as to where that data is going and how it may be used against us.


11 posted on 02/03/2016 6:47:00 AM PST by BobL (Who cares? He's going to build a wall and stop this invasion.)
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To: Salvation

Double-effect originates in Thomas Aquinas’ treatment of homicidal self-defense, in his work Summa Theologica.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_double_effect

is the Msgr confused on this?
it would be okay to kill the person seeking the Ann Frank but not lie to them?


12 posted on 02/03/2016 6:47:22 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (https://www.facebook.com/NHforTedCruz)
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To: Salvation

I would lie to Obama’s face if he started asking me questions about things that are none of his damned business.


13 posted on 02/03/2016 6:47:33 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

“you did a good thing for a bad person” Robert DeNiro in A Bronx Tale :) his son lied about a murder to protect a gangster. the kid was 8.

is it living a lie when i type geez and sheessh and good grief when i would NEVER use those words in real life.

unfortunately the one i would use are bad.


14 posted on 02/03/2016 6:47:39 AM PST by dp0622 (I)
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To: Salvation

Do these pants make me look fat?

Truth: “No.”
Unspoken truth: “No. It’s your big but that makes you look fat. Those pants just don’t hide it”.


15 posted on 02/03/2016 6:47:46 AM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: Salvation
However, when one is under duress or sees no clear way to avoid a consequent grave evil or injustice, one's culpability for such a lie is lessened.

In life we are often caught between two impossible choices. Taking, what we consider to be, the lesser sin is still sin. Just relax and follow Martin Luther's advice. "Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly."

It is better to regret the sin, than to try and rationalize why you had to sin. It has nothing to do with God understanding why he had to sin. It is all about God forgiving our sin. No matter the sin, or why you had to do the sin, forgiveness is still needed.

16 posted on 02/03/2016 6:51:33 AM PST by Tao Yin
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To: Salvation

If the terrorists ask you if you’re the only one at home, and the children are hiding in the closet, you’re going to tell the truth?


17 posted on 02/03/2016 6:53:08 AM PST by Savage Beast (The Trump Phenomenon is a Revolution. Actually a Counter-Revolution.)
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To: Tao Yin
Be a sinner and sin boldly, ...

That's the worst advice I've ever heard--and it's totally anti-scriptural.

18 posted on 02/03/2016 6:54:41 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Salvation

I would like to be able to take the self-righteous position and say, no.. it’s never Ok. But that would be... a lie. I do believe there are more than a few situations when telling a lie is required. It shouldn’t be for personal gain or any other needless reason though. I also believe this is one thing that sets people apart from one another... how far will you go to justify a lie to yourself? I’ve always found that being brutally honest with ones self is far more difficult... and an absolute necessity.


19 posted on 02/03/2016 6:54:50 AM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: Salvation

An infantry division in WW2 had a commander who forbade gambling. He happened to stumble onto three chaplains playing cards. The chaplains had been discussing this very question during their weekly poker game.

Only one of them just could not bring himself to admit it would ever be OK to lie.

Two of the chaplains denied they had been playing poker when asked. When the third one was asked if he had been playing poker, he responded by asking, “With who?”


20 posted on 02/03/2016 7:00:29 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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