Posted on 02/03/2016 6:37:39 AM PST by Salvation
Remember the Commandment, though: "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
Monsignor Pope Ping!
Given the society we live in and how we conservatives are viewed by social workers, I’ve been telling my kids to lie to authority figures from Day 1...that is unless they want to be getting brand new parents.
In war, yes.
It’s not OK to lie when you don’t have to.
Imagine the Gestapo is asking you for info about your family. Are you supposed to tell them the factual truth?
"...against thy neighbor."
A very specific kind of lie. And completely unjustifiable. In the given Ann Frank example, I do not believe that commandment would apply.
In the example of Anne Frank, given in the OP, the proper response would be no response.
Its ok to lie when somebody has been wounded badly and they want your opinion. They ask just tell them they look good you’ll be ok. Tell them it’s not that bad even though their buddies are freaking out just looking at them trying not to show it on their faces.
It is never okay to lie. If necessary to avoid the truth for safety reasons, etc. deflection or avoidance should be used, imo. But not out and out lying.
That depends on who you’d be lying to.
“Imagine the Gestapo is asking you for info about your family. Are you supposed to tell them the factual truth?”
Yep, when doctors ask irrelevant questions like stuff from the past and whether one owns guns, one should SERIOUSLY consider lying, as we have NO CLUE as to where that data is going and how it may be used against us.
Double-effect originates in Thomas Aquinas’ treatment of homicidal self-defense, in his work Summa Theologica.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_double_effect
is the Msgr confused on this?
it would be okay to kill the person seeking the Ann Frank but not lie to them?
I would lie to Obama’s face if he started asking me questions about things that are none of his damned business.
“you did a good thing for a bad person” Robert DeNiro in A Bronx Tale :) his son lied about a murder to protect a gangster. the kid was 8.
is it living a lie when i type geez and sheessh and good grief when i would NEVER use those words in real life.
unfortunately the one i would use are bad.
Do these pants make me look fat?
Truth: “No.”
Unspoken truth: “No. It’s your big but that makes you look fat. Those pants just don’t hide it”.
In life we are often caught between two impossible choices. Taking, what we consider to be, the lesser sin is still sin. Just relax and follow Martin Luther's advice. "Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly."
It is better to regret the sin, than to try and rationalize why you had to sin. It has nothing to do with God understanding why he had to sin. It is all about God forgiving our sin. No matter the sin, or why you had to do the sin, forgiveness is still needed.
If the terrorists ask you if you’re the only one at home, and the children are hiding in the closet, you’re going to tell the truth?
That's the worst advice I've ever heard--and it's totally anti-scriptural.
I would like to be able to take the self-righteous position and say, no.. it’s never Ok. But that would be... a lie. I do believe there are more than a few situations when telling a lie is required. It shouldn’t be for personal gain or any other needless reason though. I also believe this is one thing that sets people apart from one another... how far will you go to justify a lie to yourself? I’ve always found that being brutally honest with ones self is far more difficult... and an absolute necessity.
An infantry division in WW2 had a commander who forbade gambling. He happened to stumble onto three chaplains playing cards. The chaplains had been discussing this very question during their weekly poker game.
Only one of them just could not bring himself to admit it would ever be OK to lie.
Two of the chaplains denied they had been playing poker when asked. When the third one was asked if he had been playing poker, he responded by asking, “With who?”
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