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Pope Francis says most marriages today are ‘invalid’. This is a disaster for the Catholic Church
The Spectator ^ | June 17, 2016 | Damian Thompson

Posted on 06/16/2016 9:22:17 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: metmom
So it looks like lots of Catholics, then, are living in sin and receiving communion in a state of mortal sin.

Yes; as do all Protestants.

61 posted on 06/18/2016 6:57:24 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

If only Catholic marriages are valid, then Mary and Joseph were living in sin also.

Tell me, what makes a valid marriage in GOD’S eyes?

Not the Catholic church’s but GOD’S.


62 posted on 06/18/2016 6:59:23 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: daniel1212; metmom; Mark17; HossB86; MHGinTN; Elsie; Salvation; Mrs. Don-o
Rome also considers entering marriage with the intention of never having children to be a "grave wrong and more than likely grounds for an annulment."[McLachlan, P. "Sacrament of Holy Matrimony." http://www.catholicdoors.com/faq/qu164.htm]

“In marriage there is a contract whereby one is bound to pay the other the marital debt: wherefore just as in other contracts, the bond is unfitting if a person bind himself to what he cannot give or do, so the marriage contract is unfitting, if it be made by one who cannot pay the marital debt.”

I wonder if catholics comprehend exactly what they are saying here with the implications for their dogmatic position on the perpetual virginity of Mary?

63 posted on 06/18/2016 7:01:18 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: metmom

Now you’re making stuff up.

Who has said only Catholic marriages are valid? No one.


64 posted on 06/18/2016 7:03:21 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Simply your opinion.

Perhaps you could point to Scripture that shows where God says that.


65 posted on 06/18/2016 7:18:04 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
So it looks like lots of Catholics, then, are living in sin and receiving communion in a state of mortal sin.

That would be true, though they are presumed innocent till Rome says otherwise.

God himself is obliged to abide by the judgment of his priests, and either not to pardon or to pardon..The sentence of the priest precedes, and God subscribes to it. .” – Dignity and Duties of the Priest, St. Alphonsus Ligouri, Vol. 12, p. 2 (whose writings were declared free from anything meriting censure by Pope Gregory XVL (1839) in the bull of his canonization)

66 posted on 06/18/2016 7:24:37 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: metmom
Sure!

[27] Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. 1 Corithians 11.

Apostates from the Catholic religion should all be very familiar with Scripture.

67 posted on 06/18/2016 7:36:30 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

What does “unworthily” mean in catholicism?


68 posted on 06/18/2016 7:51:35 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

For one thing; being non-Catholic.


69 posted on 06/18/2016 8:07:01 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Fortunately, the Bible has no requirement to be a Roman Catholic.

There is a requirement to be a follower of Christ though.

70 posted on 06/18/2016 8:18:50 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Correction: There’s a requirement to be in Christ’s Church in order to follow Him.


71 posted on 06/18/2016 8:45:12 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Couple of loose ends to your ‘accusation’.


72 posted on 06/18/2016 8:52:38 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: MHGinTN

Feel free to quote “scripture” to prove me wrong. Go for it.


73 posted on 06/18/2016 8:54:47 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

You have it backwards. When you follow Christ you are part of the ekklesia....the church which is the body of believers.


74 posted on 06/18/2016 9:00:47 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Scripture quote please.


75 posted on 06/18/2016 9:07:02 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Regardless of what anyone would offer to you your mind is thoroughly twisted in catholiciism such that you would not even recognize the Truth.

All I need do is point to the false asserti8on that Jesus built His Ekklesia on a man who moments later Jesus rebuke as under the influence of satan. And then point to he blasphemous catholic Mass claiming to feed the real body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ to the arherents, violating GOD's laws against eating human flesh and drinking blood. The god of your religion is duplicitous, BUT THE God of The Universe, The Lord God Almighty is not double mind; in Him is no shadow of turning.

Those two are but several in a long list of non-Christian aspects of catholiciism which false your assertion that catholiciism is Christ's Church. So your specious claim of God requiring membership in the catholic church will be rejected. Want to try and salvage something from your foolishness?

76 posted on 06/18/2016 9:07:21 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: ebb tide

Try reading John chapter three, all the way through. What did JESUS teach Nicodemus that you are missing?


77 posted on 06/18/2016 9:09:12 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: MHGinTN

Matthew 18:17

And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.


78 posted on 06/18/2016 9:16:00 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Quote it in context.


79 posted on 06/18/2016 9:16:36 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide

Is the word you use ‘church’ the body of believers, or is it your religion’s organizational hierarchy?


80 posted on 06/18/2016 9:17:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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