Posted on 08/19/2016 8:02:44 AM PDT by Salvation
Excellent insight! To be remembered, and displayed as needed in training spiritual babes for the conflicts to come.
A-hem....”Queen of Heaven” IS in the Bible (Jeremiah 7:18; 44:17-19; 25), but it’s sure NOT talking about Mary!
Other than that, good point! Something not being Biblical has never hindered Catholicism in her development of doctrine.
Well, yeah, I am kind of familiar with the concept, but I'm pretty sure that Jesus in His time did not institute holy orders, or marriage, or punishment for wrong-doing, or a ceremony for confirmation of catechumens. Regarding the thread, for absolutely sure I am 1,000% confident that He did not institute water baptism of the regenerated disciple for the saving of an infant from Hell, or imparting eternal life.
I'm not sure where you are going with this in the context of this article, or why you have asked (?).
. . . water baptism of the regenerated professing disciple . . .
Sorry that you are confused.
Receiving the Sacraments is receiving God’s graces and following God’s will.
Baptism is required for salvation.
Eucharist, Confession (forgiveness of sins), Anointing of the Sick, Confirmation and Marriage and Holy Orders are God’s plan to guide us to salvation. If one really read and understood the Bible, they would see many of the actions of Jesus and the Apostles.
Good luck on your salvation.
Yes, i think so many verses are misunderstood, they will use the scripture that says we shall not all sleep but we will be changed to mean we will not die.
It does not say we will not die but that we will not sleep in death as our fathers did before Christ came into this world.
If we do not die why would it say : oh death where is thy sting, oh grave where is thy victory:
The only thing the grave holds is our bones, our spiritual body departs from the body of believers. in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye at the time of death.
Blood and corruption can not enter into heaven, our bodies are blood and corruption.
Mtemom states “ I do not reject Jesus. I reject the claims that the Catholic church ( and would for ANY church) that it alone is the one true church and that being in any one organization is the means by which I am saved.”
Yet metmom rejects some of the teachings of Jesus including the rejection of His Church and the Eucharist, among others.
May you find the Truth in spite of your confusion.
That sounds prideful.
One should be humble before God and thankful for all that He has given us.
Can you show us from Scripture where Jesus directed us to receive *sacraments* from the Catholic church for salvation?
Can you show us where Jesus ever referred to people as *heretics*? Or can you show us from Scripture where that word is found?
Great questions.
I think I'll go pop some popecorn while I wait for the never coming answer.
So I’ve noticed on both points.
Where in Scripture is that requirement given to believers?
Baptism is required for salvation.
So baptism saves?
Then why did Jesus have to die? Or was His suffering and death just not good enough by itself to save anyone?
Eucharist, Confession (forgiveness of sins), Anointing of the Sick, Confirmation and Marriage and Holy Orders are God’s plan to guide us to salvation. If one really read and understood the Bible, they would see many of the actions of Jesus and the Apostles.
*Guide us to salvation*????
It's the Holy Spirit who draws us to Christ that we might be saved.
Performing works does NOT lead to salvation.
Show us from Scripture where they were practiced and ordained.
So far all you have done is made unsubstantiated claims. Why should we take your word for it? Do you have a theological degree from a Catholic seminary? Are you in a position of authority within the Catholic church for making these demands on those outside Catholicism?
All I see are unsubstantiated claims of an anonymous internet poster. Nothing to back them up.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Truly, I tell you emphatically, unless a person is born of water and Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Don’t be astonished that I told you, ‘All of you must be born from above.’ 8 The wind blows where it wants to. You hear its sound, but you don’t know where it comes from or where it is going. That’s the way it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”9 Nicodemus asked him, “How can that be?”
10 Jesus answered him, “You’re the teacher of Israel, and you can’t understand this? 11 Truly, I tell you emphatically, we know what we’re talking about, and we testify about what we’ve seen. Yet you people do not accept our testimony. 12 If I have told you people about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things?
13 “No one has gone up to heaven except the one who came down from heaven, the Son of Man who is in heaven. 14 Just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.
In that very powerful and revealing exchange you will not find even a hint of a sacramental trail required by GOD so that HE will apply HIS GRACE. Sadly, very tragically, the religion of catholiciism teaches sincere people that they must work and exhibit fidelity to catholiciism sacramental rigor in order to persuade GOD that they are each worthy of Salvation. BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT JESUS TAUGHT NICODEMUS, so the religion of catholiciism is a false look-a-like of Christianity.
There is no 'luck' involved in GOD's Grace delivered to ANY who will trust JESUS as Savior.
"Receiving the CATHOLIC Sacraments is receiving God’s graces the religious institution called Catholicism's 'blessings', empowering that institution and following God’s will the dictates of men and a malignant institution which saves none but which directs too many away from GOD's Grace in Christ Jesus, directing them instead to pray to Mary for mediation, in contradiction to what God's Word tells us, That Jesus is the ONLY mediator between man and God.
Finally, regarding this 'Eucharist' of catholiciism, the body Jesus now occupies IN HEAVEN is a glorified body which does not have The Life distributed to it via blood, so your priests cannot possibly call Jesus down from HEAVEN and feed you the body and blood and soul and divinity of The REAL JESUS. That man-congered notion is a pagan blasphemy which mocks GOD by directing adherents to violate a law against eating the blood and that directive FROM GOD predates the laws of Moses.
I do not reject Jesus’ church.
I reject the organization which CLAIMS that it is the very church that Jesus established.
And while that CLAIM may be beyond dispute in the indoctrinated Catholic mind, it has NOT been established beyond dispute either Scripturally or historically.
I have found the Truth.
His name is Jesus.
Yes, a man dressed in his own righteousness IS prideful.
The man dressed in the righteousness of Christ is the humble one as he has humbled himself before God in repentance and has been clothed BY GOD in the righteousness of Christ.
I really hate it when parts of scripture are lifted out of context..”.Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”(from 1 Corinthians 15
There..corrected it for you!
Now for some 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 for scriptural cross referencing...again Paul is writing, “15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.…
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So there is a rapture of living believers coming...the timimg is the only thing being argued about!
I thought you were an expert on the Bible or do you just subject it to your own interpretation?
The RCIA program can answer your questions as many here do not accept the information provided over time by many Catholics here that have been educated in Catholic schools and parishes.
I see a very passionate baptized Catholic that is now anti-Catholic. No one is trying to force you to believe anything. We hope that you understand the Truth of Jesus Christ.
I really challenge you to find the Truth of Jesus Christ and not a heretical version. I wish the best for you and others. I have honestly tried to present the Truth of Jesus Christ. I do not accept the false teachings or interpretations that are not the Truth of Jesus Christ.
I truly believe that the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ and inspired by the Holy Spirit, organized and spread the good news by the Apostles and their successors and that Jesus will be with us until the end. I believe that the Catholic Church teaches the Truth of Jesus and that you find that Truth and return to His Church.
Peace be with you.
Actually, that's exactly what you do accept. If you had believed the Bible alone, had truly been saved and knew the Holy Spirit and Jesus, you wouldn't be saying what you are. You'd know what metmom and Mark17, and boatbums, and Elsie, and many others are urging you to examine yourself very carefully to see "if you be in The Faith." The CCC will just lwad you away from it.
Some are more blunt than others. But we know, and you obviously don't. Take it or leave it. Wish you would take it advisedly and check it out seriously.
The *YOPIOS* is simply a red herring.
EVERYONE has their own interpretation.
Even Catholics.
Their choice is that they will follow the Catholic one.
But it is still your own choice to agree that their interpretation is the correct one, therefore it is also YOUR own personal interpretation of Scripture.
The RCIA program can answer your questions as many here do not accept the information provided over time by many Catholics here that have been educated in Catholic schools and parishes.
I don't HAVE any questions that want or need to be answered. Why is it that Catholics presume that if someone disagrees with Catholicism, that it's because they have questions about their faith?.
I have Jesus and know all I need to know. And it's all found in Scripture.
I know enough about what Catholicism teaches to know that it doesn't line up all that closely with Scripture.
There is nowhere in Scripture that Jesus said He was FOUNDING the Catholic church.
His body is being built, one believer at a time.
The claim that the Catholic church is the church to which He was referring was made only retroactively to lay some claim to authority to validate themselves.
I truly believe that the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ and inspired by the Holy Spirit, organized and spread the good news by the Apostles and their successors and that Jesus will be with us until the end. I believe that the Catholic Church teaches the Truth of Jesus and that you find that Truth and return to His Church.
I'm sure you believe all that and sincerely, to boot, but it is not supported by a clear, plain reading of Scripture. And that claim has not been established solidly enough for me to accept it. There are too many inconsistencies with Scripture and the historical record is too uncertain, fraught with known forgeries.
Truth is Jesus and His word not an organization rife with corruption and immorality.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth.
The Catholic church will lead me into Catholic teaching, which does not line up with God breathed, Holy Spirit inspired Scripture. The Catholic church teaches and practices things that are not found in Scripture and directly contradict Scripture.
I will not align myself an organization which contradicts the clear meaning of Scripture.
FWIW, the body of Christ is a spiritual body, a spiritual organism, not an earthly organization headquartered anywhere on the planet.
imardmd1 states:
“Wish you would take it advisedly and check it out seriously.”
I am sure that your intentions are sincere, but I consider the Catholic Church the one true apostolic catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ for all to obtain salvation with God.
I do not believe that Sola Scripture is the complete way to follow God’s will. I consider the Sacraments essential to my salvation and I appreciate being able to receive the Body and Blood of Jesus at Sacrifice of the Mass whenever I can attend.
I am very concerned that many/most reject many of the main teachings of Jesus about salvation and the Real Presence in the Eucharist. They ignore (or develop their own personal interpretation) many of the teachings of Jesus that are clearly stated in the Bible.
I would suggest that you reexamine your beliefs and determine if you have true faith and follow the teachings of Jesus. You may think you know, but I have not seen one example of the Catholic Church not following the teaching of Jesus and the Apostles.
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