Posted on 08/22/2016 5:58:11 PM PDT by ebb tide
"The Eucharist is not a sacrament for the sinner but the sacrament of reconciled sinners. Just as it is the source and principle of mercy. I hope I have been clear!
Nicola Bux, August 13, 2016 at a youth meeting in Schio. The theologian spoke on the theme "The sacraments are not a joke." The Eucharist is not a sacrament for the divorced and remarried, but for reconciled sinners. The liturgist Nicola Bux is one of the most reputable practitioners of the liturgical science and is one of the leading supporters of Benedict XVI's intended liturgical renewal. He is a lecturer at the Theological Faculty of Puglia and the local Institute of Religious Sciences, consultor of the Congregation for Doctrine of the Faith and the Congregation for the Causes of Saints and spiritual assistant of the St. Josef Brotherhood of Bari. Under Pope Benedict XVI. he was also a consultant of the Office for the Liturgical Celebrations of the Pope .
There’s no forgiveness for the divorced or remarried??
Not as long as they live an adulterous life with each other.
Divorce is not a sin.
It’s the “remarriage” that’s a problem.
All remariage is sin?
So, why did Jesus not condemn the woman who was caught in the actual act of adultery and let her go?
He told her to sin no more.
What part of that do you not understand?
Remarriage after death of a spouse is not a sin.
Remarriage after the previous marriage is determined to be Null is not a sin, though technically that would not be a “re”marriage.
Remarriage absent “marital relations” is not a sin.
So she couldn’t marry someone after she was forgiven? That is what this Catholic teaching is saying. Certain sins can’t actually be forgiven. Jesus said and John affirmed that the only unforgivable sin was to blaspheme the Holy Spirit
Remember, Mary the mother of Jesus descended from King David’s adulterous relationship with Bathsheba. Now strictly speaking, Bathsheba’s first husband was dead when Nathan was conceived, but that was only because David had him murdered.
Not to forget Judah and his child of harlotry, Perez, with his daughter-in-law Tamar.
But that was Old Testament stuff and has no bearing on Catholic doctrine.
You’re not a Catholic and you have no clue as to what the Catholic Church teaches.
“The Eucharist is Not a Sacrament for the Sinner”
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Is that the Catholic Church teaching or not?
BTW, my father was a Protestant Chaplain in the Navy and at a major Psychiatric Hospital in Pennsylvania. Chaplains are cross trained in the works-based rites of the works-based religions, such as Judaism and Roman Catholicism. So I learned quite a bit about what the Catholic Church teaches as a kid.
If your father knew the truth about Catholicism, I think he would have converted.
Same with you.
If only the reconciled can receive it then the line for the Eucharist Sunday morning can by definition can be no longer than the line for reconciliation on Saturday..... Yet we all know that’s not true.
No, he stayed a Christian, and so am I. No Babylon Mystery Religion for either of us.
Jeremiah 7:1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
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7:18 “The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger.
Nelson, Thomas. Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (p. 739). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.
Read Jeremiah 44, where the remnant of Judah talks about why they worshiped the “queen of heaven” in much the same terms that Catholics do today. Didn’t work then, won’t work now.
Those with mortal sin on their soul must be reconciled first. Those who are divorced and remarried (without a valid annulment) would be such persons. Not all sinners need to be reconciled first.
I should clarify that when I say “reconciled” I mean through the Sacrament of Confession.
Give me a break, the church also considers missing service on Sunday a “Mortal Sin” yet anyone who’s ever been to Christmas or Easter Mass knows quite well that the pews are full of far more folks who are never in Church on any other Sunday, but the priests don’t refuse them Communion, and the penance lines the days before are no longer than normal either.
Gluttony is also a “Mortal Sin”, but you don’t see the reconciliation lines any longer after Thanksgiving before the service the next Sunday either.
Masturbation is a “Mortal Sin”, yet those lines for confession don’t remotely have the numbers to cover the folks who have done that this week... etc.
The church does not remotely enforce its “mortal sin” policy with regards to communion and hasn’t in any way in any church I have ever been part of. Yet for some reason, the whole remarried/divorced thing always bubbles up. Reality is if you look at the list of mortal sins, there isn’t a human being alive who doesn’t commit one on a fairly regular basis, far more often than they go to penance.
Perhaps in other parts of the world they are more strict, but in the US, the whole Mortal Sin should keep you from receiving the Eucharist may be the letter of the Church’s teaching, but its laughable in its practice, and the attempt to single out the divorced and remarried are unworthy and undeserving, when nearly every person in every seat in the church is guilty of at least one, if not several of these sins weekly, yet few if any go to penance prior to Sunday mass, and nearly all of age take the Eucharist.
It’s also my understanding that an annulment application will not be processed without the applicants first obtaining a civil divorce.
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