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The Critical Danger of Unbelief
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 08-29-16 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 08/30/2016 8:04:03 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: Mr. Douglas
Thing is, as CI virtually completely takes over (and I believe it will),

False teaching always has a following. This also weakens the Church.

21 posted on 08/30/2016 9:14:48 AM PDT by xone
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To: marron
Believing in God or at least grasping that there are eternal truths ordering this life...

One might even call these 'eternal truths' the Gods of the Copybook Headings.

22 posted on 08/30/2016 9:22:33 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: dfwgator

I was just talking about that yesterday. But I guessed it was Bob Dillon.

Is that who you meant by ‘Bobby’? If not who was it that sang that?


23 posted on 08/30/2016 9:27:46 AM PDT by Paulie (America without Christ is like a Chemistry book without the periodic table.)
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To: Salvation

Can’t put a gun to people’s heads. All we can o is try.

And we’re up against 24/7 indoctrination.

God will do what God will do.

Let’s all make sure we’re personally ready.


24 posted on 08/30/2016 9:27:47 AM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: Salvation

Every little bit helps!


25 posted on 08/30/2016 9:28:00 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Talk less. Smile more.)
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To: Paulie

Yes, Bob Dylan.


26 posted on 08/30/2016 9:29:38 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Ahhh! You even corrected me on the spelling of his name.

I should have been more careful.

Thanks.


27 posted on 08/30/2016 9:33:54 AM PDT by Paulie (America without Christ is like a Chemistry book without the periodic table.)
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To: xone

False teaching always has a following. This also weakens the Church.


Exactly. The cool thing is that things like the internet make it very easy for people to diligently study rather than just believe what a preacher tells them. It causes change.


28 posted on 08/30/2016 9:59:05 AM PDT by Mr. Douglas (Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
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To: Mr. Douglas
The cool thing is that things like the internet make it very easy for people to diligently study
29 posted on 08/30/2016 11:22:32 AM PDT by xone
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To: Mr. Douglas
The cool thing is that things like the internet make it very easy for people to diligently study

If you came up with CI after 'diligent study', you best get back to the studying.

30 posted on 08/30/2016 11:22:54 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone

The beginning of wisdom for me was this post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2240648/posts

Before that I simply believed what the church told me because, well, everybody KNOWS about hell and damnation, right?

Nope. I studied. I went to more sites. I studied some more. Now, I’m a member here: Rethinkinghell.com

I listen to the bible for two hours on my commute every day. Have been doing it for three years now. This is on top of the study I do (on this and other subjects) And CI is EVERYWHERE in the bible.

It is argued that as people actually start studying this subject in great numbers, more and people will come on board and it is expected to be the majority opinion in ten to 15 years. It used to be that people even asking the question were practically blackballed. It became the topic where “questions are forbidden”.

Not any more! And as more people ask, answers really are forthcoming

The evidence really is overwhelmingly in support of CI. It’s gotten almost comical. ECT adherents have an extremely limited number of “proof texts”, most of which actually support CI. And Edward Fudge nails it in “The Fire that Consumes”. VERY good book. This video is really good too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHUPpmbTOV4


31 posted on 08/30/2016 11:36:28 AM PDT by Mr. Douglas (Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
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To: Mr. Douglas
CI is 'tickled ears' doctrine, SDA in particular. It isn't biblical.

it is expected to be the majority opinion in ten to 15 years.

Doctrine by consensus, good stuff. The only opinion that matters has already spoken on it.

32 posted on 08/30/2016 1:36:22 PM PDT by xone
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To: xone

CI is ‘tickled ears’ doctrine, SDA in particular. It isn’t biblical.


I’m not SDA. I’m not JW. But I have actually read the bible and studied it. That is what actually brought me to CI. I’ve offered sources here. More and more people are getting their pastors to study it themselves. Once people are exposed to the full picture, minds are changed.

I’ve actually read papers and watched videos from all sides of this issue before solidifying my viewpoint. Have you? To not do so is, by definition, dogmatism.

It is also adherence to “the traditions of men”.


33 posted on 08/30/2016 4:16:47 PM PDT by Mr. Douglas (Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
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To: Mr. Douglas
To not do so is, by definition, dogmatism. It is also adherence to “the traditions of men”.

Nothing wrong with Biblical dogmatism. That would make it by definition not a tradition of man. CI is an effort to minimize the cost of sin and by extension minimize the Lord's sacrificial atonement for that sin. The Bible is plain as to the final place for those who have not believed. Same place as the Devil and his angels.

34 posted on 08/30/2016 5:54:34 PM PDT by xone
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To: xone

No sense in rehashing what I’ve argued on this subject for years. I’ve offered several links and a video.

But I do disagree with this comment strongly: “Nothing wrong with Biblical dogmatism.”

Dogmatism is the refusal to even look at evidence contrary to your own viewpoint. That is really not the high ground. When someone offers new teaching on old dogmas, searching the scripture is the high ground. This is why the Bereans were commended.


35 posted on 08/30/2016 8:18:29 PM PDT by Mr. Douglas (Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
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To: Salvation
Do not make light of the rampant unbelief in our world today.

It is unbelief that the bible warns against; over and over.


While certain churches emphasize DOING things to KEEP your salvation; the bible doesn't.


Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.


The Book does NOT say...

...but whoever does not GET BAPTIZED will be condemned.

36 posted on 08/31/2016 3:52:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: marron
The funny thing of it is, when you do not believe in God, you do not then believe in nothing... you start to believe stupid stuff.

There will come a time when sound doctrine men will up with not put!

37 posted on 08/31/2016 3:53:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NorthMountain
Are the unbelievers unbelievers because we believers have fallen down in our duty to 'teach all nations'?

Do you know of a 'nation' that has NO missionaries in it?

38 posted on 08/31/2016 3:55:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mr. Douglas
The cool thing is that things like the internet make it very easy for people to diligently study rather than just believe what a preacher tells them.

But; even BEFORE Algore's wonderful invention...


Acts 17:11

Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

39 posted on 08/31/2016 3:57:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mr. Douglas
This makes sense and is supported Biblically.

Jesus said...

John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

I wonder what happens to folks who are CONDEMNED?

40 posted on 08/31/2016 4:01:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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