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Op-Ed: "Kneeling Before Luther", by Roberto de Mattei
Rorate Caeli ^ | November 2, 2016 | Roberto de Mattei

Posted on 11/04/2016 10:57:55 AM PDT by ebb tide

It is with deep sorrow we say this.

What surfaced during the ecumenical meeting between Pope Francis and the World Lutheran Federation on October 31st in Lund, seems to be a new religion. A religion that has clear starting points, but murky, disquieting ends.

The slogan that resounded the most in Lund Cathedral was the need for a “common path” which would carry Catholics and Lutherans “from conflict to communion”. Both Pope Francis and Pastor Martin Junge, Secretary to the Lutheran Federation, made reference to the evangelical parable of the vine and branches in their sermons. Catholics and Lutherans would be the “dry branches” of a single tree which bears no fruit as a result of the 1517 separation. However, nobody knows what this “fruit” would be. At the moment the only thing Catholics and Lutherans seem to have in common is a state of deep crisis, with different causes though.

Lutheranism has been one of the major factors in the secularisation of Western society and today it is in the death throes because of the consistency through which it developed the seeds of its own destruction, present at its very beginning. The Scandinavian countries, long time considered models for our future, have been at the forefront of secularization. However, Sweden, after being transformed into the country of multiculturalism and homosexual rights, is today a country in which only 2% of Lutherans are practicing, while almost 10% of the population practice the Islamic religion.

By contrast, the Catholic Church is in a crisis of self-demolition, as a result of abandoning Her tradition in order to embrace the process of the secularization of the modern world, precisely as it was breaking up. The Lutherans are looking for a breath of life in ecumenism, and the Catholic Church is not alert to the breath of death in this embrace.

“What unites us is far greater than what divides us”, this was again repeated at the Lund ceremony. Yet, what [precisely] unites Catholics and Lutherans? Nothing, not even Baptism, the only sacrament of the seven that Lutherans recognize. For Catholics, in fact, Baptism removes original sin, whereas for Lutherans it cannot be cancelled, given that, for them human nature is radically corrupt and sin invincible. Luther’s formula “sin strongly, but believe even more strongly” sums up his thought. Man is incapable of good and can do nothing other than sin and blindly abandon himself to Divine mercy. God decides who is damned and who is saved in an arbitrary, irrevocable manner. Freedom does not exist, only a rigorous predestination of the elect and the damned.

“By Faith alone” goes along with “by Scripture alone”. For Catholics there are two fonts of Divine Revelation: Holy Scripture and Tradition. The Lutherans eliminate Tradition since they claim that man must have a direct relationship with God, with no mediations. It is the principle of the “free examination” of Scripture, from which springs individualism and contemporary relativism. This principle implies the denial of the Church and the Pope, whom Luther called “an apostle of Satan” and “antichrist”. Most especially, Luther hated the Pope and the Catholic Mass, which he wanted to reduce to a mere commemoration, by denying its sacrificial nature and the Transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. However, for Catholics the renovation of the unbloody Sacrifice of Christ, which is in the Mass, is the only font of Divine grace. Are these simple misunderstanding and incomprehension?

Pope Bergoglio stated at Lund: “We too must look with love and honesty at our past, acknowledge error and ask forgiveness.” And again: “it has to be acknowledged with the same honesty, that our division was deviating from the original intuition of the people of God, which aspires naturally to remain united, and [this] historically was perpetrated by worldly men of power more than by the will of the faithful.”

Who are these men of power? The Popes and Saints, who from the very beginning fought against Lutheranism? The Church, which for five centuries has condemned it? The Council of Trent pronounced the decisive word on the incompatibility of the Catholic Faith with the Protestant one. We cannot follow Pope Francis along a different path.

(first published in “Il Tempo” 1st November 2016 - Translation: Contributor Francesca Romana)


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ecumenism; Theology
KEYWORDS: francischurch

1 posted on 11/04/2016 10:57:55 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I detest the headline. Luther would be the most vehement in decrying “kneeling” before him or his doctrine. Luther pointed to God and God alone for salvation and spread His Word to the common people. That was his “heresy”.


2 posted on 11/04/2016 11:12:50 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Hillary "Elect me and every Tuesday will be Soylent Green day!".)
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To: BipolarBob

I detest Martin Luther.


3 posted on 11/04/2016 11:24:15 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Good for you.

I suppose you detest every other non Catholic too.


4 posted on 11/04/2016 11:30:08 AM PDT by Luircin (Stomp Hillary, build wall, stop Islam. Any of the above are good reasons to vote. Trump 2016)
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To: ebb tide

And he detested the corruption of the Roman Catholic Church and its leaders. God will judge all.


5 posted on 11/04/2016 11:30:34 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Hillary "Elect me and every Tuesday will be Soylent Green day!".)
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To: Luircin
I suppose you detest every other non Catholic too.

No. Just the few heretics who start their own man-made "religions" and then lead millions into Hell.

6 posted on 11/04/2016 11:58:25 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide; Luircin
Just the few heretics who start their own man-made "religions" and then lead millions into Hell.

What could be more man-made than the Catholic denomination? I know there are a few but I don't really count them. Any doctrine not "Sola Scrptura" has the odor of man. At least Martin Luther tried to get the Source of Truth to the common man while the RCC was establishing a franchise profit center where they were the toll booth to Heaven. The temple Jesus drove out the money changers were pikers comparatively.

7 posted on 11/04/2016 12:29:35 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Hillary "Elect me and every Tuesday will be Soylent Green day!".)
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To: ebb tide

Oh dear. If you hate yourself THAT much, you should check yourself into a mental institute.


8 posted on 11/04/2016 12:42:12 PM PDT by Luircin (Stomp Hillary, build wall, stop Islam. Any of the above are good reasons to vote. Trump 2016)
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To: ebb tide
The Council of Trent pronounced the decisive word on the incompatibility of the Catholic Faith with the Protestant one.

But incompatibility is not found between the Religion of Vatican II and the Protestant one. After all, according to the Religion of Ecumenism, the Catholic Church merely subsists in Christ's Church and Christ uses these other separated churches as means of salvation.

9 posted on 11/04/2016 1:12:42 PM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: ebb tide

Liberalism in religion! Liberal Catholics who no longer believe the fundamental doctrines behind their rituals but still practice the forms, can easily join with liberal Lutherans who no longer believe the foundational truths behind their rituals. It should not be surprising.

Of course, if you actually believe that the doctrines claimed by your religion are true, then you can be castigated as a “fundamentalist”!

The World Council of Churches has tried any number of strategies to “unify” its members. Nothing has worked. They tried the idea of “water”. Whether you call it baptism or something else, or whatever you think of its meaning, we can all unify around it...Nope. They tried communion. Whatever you call it or whatever you think it means, we all gotta eat....uh....Nope. Now it’s all multiculturalism, and unity in our embracing of diversity. Ughh....Nope again. Although there are some nifty dance numbers by whatever witch doctors they can get up on stage.


10 posted on 11/04/2016 3:17:52 PM PDT by BDParrish (O God, please bless America!)
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To: ebb tide
No. Just the few heretics who start their own man-made "religions" and then lead millions into Hell.

You mean like kneeling before idols of Mary??

11 posted on 11/04/2016 5:59:30 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide
Lutheranism has been one of the major factors in the secularisation of Western society and today it is in the death throes because of the consistency through which it developed the seeds of its own destruction, present at its very beginning. The Scandinavian countries, long time considered models for our future, have been at the forefront of secularization. However, Sweden, after being transformed into the country of multiculturalism and homosexual rights, is today a country in which only 2% of Lutherans are practicing, while almost 10% of the population practice the Islamic religion.

Wow...the logic is comical.

Is the writer familiar with catholic voting patterns in US presidential elections?

70+% of Italy is roman catholic. How is that country doing?

Mexico is 81% catholic. How is that country doing?

Brazil is 61% catholic. How is that country doing?

France is between 54% - 66% catholic. How is that country doing?

Western Europe as a whole is estimated to be 55.43% catholic. How is Western Europe doing?

South America is 80.66% catholic. How is South America doing?

12 posted on 11/04/2016 6:09:28 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide
This is one of the worst articles I've ever read. Full of misinformation and false statements. By all means, let's recognize that we disagree, but let's try to be truthful in our disagreement. The author of this article either doesn't understand Lutheranism or purposefully misrepresents the Lutheran position.

And for the love of all that is holy, please stop equating members of the LWF with all Lutherans.

13 posted on 11/06/2016 1:06:53 PM PST by Tao Yin
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To: Tao Yin

They’re all heretics.


14 posted on 11/06/2016 1:44:49 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: All

Where this pope goes he sows discord and confusion.

I am Catholic and I choose to do the opposite by following Christ’s command that we love one another.

If there has ever been a time in our country that we should love one another and unite in prayer in order to overcome evil, this is that time.


15 posted on 11/06/2016 1:54:21 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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