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Time to choose sides in the civil war over Amoris Laetitia says Catholic academic
https://www.ewtn.co.uk ^ | December 6, 2016 | DEACON NICK DONNELLY

Posted on 12/06/2016 7:00:25 PM PST by NKP_Vet

Prof. Roberto de Mattei, the acclaimed Church historian, has warned that Pope Francis' decision not to respond to the four cardinals' dubia has plunged the Church into a civil war. Catholics now have to choose what side will to take in the "civil war", which Prof. de Mattei frames in terms of taking a stand for fidelity or siding with infidelity. Prof. de Mattei gave his stark assessment of the crisis in an exclusive interview with Lifesite news. Prof de Mattei is a professor at the European University of Rome and the president of the Lepanto Foundation. He told Lifesite News, "It is important to comprehend that today there is a clear choice between fidelity to the Church, to the perennial Magisterium, or infidelity, which means errors, heresy, and apostasy."

Prof. de Mattei stood behind the assessment made by the four cardinals about the state of the Church in the wake of the Holy Father's publication of Amoris Laetitia. Cardinal Burke and the others explained in their dubia, "We have noted a grave disorientation and great confusion of many faithful regarding extremely important matters for the life of the Church. We have noted that even within the episcopal college there are contrasting interpretations of Chapter 8 of Amoris Laetitia. Prof. Roberto de Mattie concurs with the cardinals' conclusion that Amoris Laetitia is causing "tremendous confusion inside the Church" due to the pope's ambiguous moral teaching, resulting in "division" and "fragmentation" among bishops, priests, and the faithful.

The professor expressed approval of the cardinals' action in submitting the five dubium [doubts] placing the blame for the subsequent confusion and conflict at the door of the Holy Father:

The cause of this confusion, the author of this confusion is not the four cardinals, of course. I think that the main author of the confusion is Pope Francis, because it is since his pontificate that things go so rapidly, so fast. It seems sometimes that he likes to create this confusion. The cardinals acted in a perfect way from a canonical point of view. I consider it very grave the fact that the Pope, who is the supreme head of the congregation, didn't want to answer. This is already an answer, in fact.

Prof. de Mattei also supported Cardinal Burke's determination to issue a formal declaration of serious error if Pope Francis did not repond to their dubium:

The importance of this initiative is not only to warn the Pope about the errors found in Amoris Laetitia, but also to warn the faithful, to inform the faithful, because among the faithful there is confusion but there is also ignorance. And I think that we have the duty to make the faithful aware of the gravity of this situation.

The professor of Church history concludes that the crisis is so serious that it is no longer possible for Catholics to remain neutral in the civil war provoked by Amoris Laetitia:

This situation is so grave that a neutral position is no longer possible. Today we are in a war, a religious civil war, unfortunately. I don't like this war, but we are engaged in it against our will. We have not created the situation, but this situation obliges everyone to pursue a clear position. And for this, I think we have to thank the four cardinals for their courage and to push them to continue their action and their witness.

Prof. Robert Spaemann, leading German Catholic philosopher, friend and contemporary of Pope Benedict XVI, has also expressed alarm that Pope Francis has brought the "supreme Magisterium" into disrepute by his refusal to respond to the cardinals' dubia. Prof. Spaemann, professor emeritus of the Ludwig-Maximilian University of Munich, expressed his concern in an interview with Nuova Bussola Quotidiana.

Prof. Robert Spaemann expressed support for the cardinals' dubia and their decision to make their initiative public once the Holy Father refused to answer:

With the dubia, the Cardinals take on their proper duty to support with their council - insofar as they are 'senators' - the Church in the person of the Holy Father. It's regrettable that only four cardinals have taken the initiative in this matter. The four Cardinals have chosen the right path. The Pope was the first recipient of dubia, though I think the text was also passed to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. It was not written as an "open letter", but was sent directly to the Holy Father. It was only made public later, after the Pope refused to answer.

The professor also expressed great concern about the damage done to the "supreme Magisterium" by Pope Francis's silence:

The Pope's refusal to answer the appeal of the four Cardinals fills me with great worry since, in a certain way, the supreme Magisterium in this case is being debased. The Pope clearly has a deep aversion to these decisions in which a 'yes' or 'no' is required.

The professor of philosophy countered the pope's refusal to give 'yes' or 'no' answer with the example of Christ, the Lord of the Church, who often presented his disciples with decisions of this kind. In the specific question regarding adultery, Jesus 'shocks' the apostles with the simplicity and clarity of his doctrine.

Comment

Sacred Scripture makes it very clear how the faithful should respond if someone attempts to teach a "new gospel" instead of the Gospel handed on to us from the Apostles:

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and turning to a different gospel-- not that there is another gospel, but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, If any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1: 6-9).

This strong response against those seeking to "pervert the Gospel" was solemnly defined by Vatican I in terms of being the right and the duty of the Church to proscribe "opinions that are known to be opposed to the doctrine of the faith". (Dei Filius, chap. 4).

Clearly, all the faithful have the right and the duty to question those bishops and priests who interpret Amoris Laetitia in ways that are contrary to Our Lord's doctrine on the indissolubility of marriage and the sin of adultery and fornication.


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Hopefully these four Cardinals, who refuse to preach error to please Bergoglio, will be the reason he's removed from the papacy.
1 posted on 12/06/2016 7:00:25 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

From your mouth to God’s ear.


2 posted on 12/06/2016 7:08:21 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: NKP_Vet

I have not read all 250 pages but it seems the only real issue is communion to divorced couples, right? On SSA, SSM, abortion etc he is on the traditional side or am I missing something else.


3 posted on 12/06/2016 7:10:14 PM PST by reaganaut (Yes I am female, yes I love guns, yes I carry and yes I reload and handload my own ammo.)
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To Pope Francis: I support the 4 cardinals' letter pleading for clarity
4 posted on 12/06/2016 7:21:25 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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No, it isn’t. The faithful don’t have to choose sides in these matters until it affects them personally.


5 posted on 12/06/2016 7:42:19 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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No, it isn’t. The faithful don’t have to choose sides in these matters until it affects them personally.

So you don't love you neighbor, as yourself?

6 posted on 12/06/2016 7:48:03 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

By picking sides in their arguments?


7 posted on 12/06/2016 7:51:54 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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To: ebb tide

Yes, we do have to choose sides. We are all called to spread the Gospel. So we have to know what Gospel we’re going to spread. The one given to us by Our Lord and Savior, or one that is different from that. By the very definition of being a Christian, it affects us personally.


8 posted on 12/06/2016 7:52:11 PM PST by scouter (As for me and my household... We will serve the LORD.)
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To: cmj328

What so hard about picking the Truth and then defending it?


9 posted on 12/06/2016 7:53:40 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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And if you're wrong theologically then you are guilty of heresy and schism and excommunicated from the Church and deprived of the grace of God that is obtained by the Church's prayers.

Good luck to you.

10 posted on 12/06/2016 7:53:43 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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To: ebb tide
You say Cardinals = The Truth.

Caridnalolatry.

11 posted on 12/06/2016 7:55:12 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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No. I’m saying Jesus Christ speaks the Truth and that at least four orthodox cardinals agree with Him, as do I.

If you want to stand on the sidelines, so be it.

“But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, not hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth”. Revelation 3:16.


12 posted on 12/06/2016 8:02:13 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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And if you're wrong theologically

So the Church was "wrong theologically" until the advent of Bergoglio? Too great a stretch.

"As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema." (Gal 1:9)

13 posted on 12/06/2016 8:04:09 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: ebb tide
And I'm saying that you have made yourself Pope and have become Protestant.

If you want to stand with the fake-fervent in Hell, the Luthers and the Mohammeds and the Albigensians and Marcel Lefebvre, then so be it.

The Cardinals do not speak authoritatively but merely ask questions. You are not standing with them by answering the questions yourself and neither is de Matteo.

Now if you were divorced and remarried and wondering about Communion, then yes--you would need to figure this one out.

14 posted on 12/06/2016 8:06:44 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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Thank you for your Bible verses, Satan. Or should I say, Luther?

Non praevalebunt.

15 posted on 12/06/2016 8:08:42 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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To: cmj328

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and turning to a different gospel— not that there is another gospel, but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, If any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1: 6-9).

I’m quite confident of at least several things... that Our Lord meant it when he said that divorce and remarriage is adultery. That the Church has taught for two millennia that unrepentant adulterers cannot receive Holy Communion. That even the Pope cannot change that.

I will cast my lot with Christ and his clear teaching, as faithfully and authoritatively handed down by the successors to the apostles for the last 2,000 years, rather than in a non-infallible document that contradicts that teaching. You’re free to do otherwise, but I suggest you heed Galatians 1:6-9, above.


16 posted on 12/06/2016 8:09:01 PM PST by scouter (As for me and my household... We will serve the LORD.)
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Leave the faithful alone. The Church has survived for 2,000 years without you, and it will survive your faithlessness.

In faithlessness you have cast a lot where no lot need to be cast.
In faithlessness you have anathematized the visible source of unity in the Church because it aggravated your neurons the wrong way.
In faithlessness you set up the false dichotomy between Cardinals and Pope.
In faithlessness you judge what you have no authority to judge.
In faithlessness you doubt the promises of Christ.
In faithlessness you agitate in public against the bishops of the Church.
In faithlessness you revert to your Protestant ways.

Now repent you wicked, faithless man and embrace the Church of God in Sacramental Confession before death catches you unawares.

17 posted on 12/06/2016 8:15:42 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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Now if you were divorced and remarried and wondering about Communion, then yes--you would need to figure this one out.

No, I wouldn't have to "figure this one out". I already know that committing adultery and receiving Communion in that state are both mortal sins.

Are you even a Catholic?

18 posted on 12/06/2016 8:15:42 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: cmj328

Are you drunk?


19 posted on 12/06/2016 8:17:09 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Good job.

Are you still a Catholic according to canon law?

20 posted on 12/06/2016 8:18:26 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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