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Pope Francis Calls for Lord's Prayer to be Altered as Current Wording Suggests God....
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 12/8/17 | Reporters

Posted on 12/07/2017 5:16:35 PM PST by marshmallow

Pope Francis has called on the Roman Catholic Church to alter the Lord’s Prayer because he believes the current translation suggests God is capable of leading us “into temptation”.

Instead, “Our father”, which is the best known prayer in Christianity, should be said using the phrasing adopted by French bishops, which reads as “do not let us enter into temptation”.

The alternative wording used in France implies that it is through human fault that people are led to sin, rather than by God.

The pontiff made the suggestion during a televised interview on Wednesday evening, in which he claimed that the traditional phrasing was “not a good translation”.

“I am the one who falls. It’s not him pushing me into temptation to then see how I have fallen,” he continued. “A father doesn’t do that, a father helps you to get up immediately. It’s Satan who leads us into temptation, that’s his department.”

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Prayer; Theology
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To: marshmallow

Next stop...Sermon On The Mount.


21 posted on 12/07/2017 5:35:34 PM PST by ameribbean expat
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To: ameribbean expat

Next stop...Sermon On The Mount.


He’s already there. The second half of the sermon is built around the Our Father, the first half is built around the beatitudes.

Given his proclivity for showmanship, maybe next stop is Frankie Goes to Hollywood.


22 posted on 12/07/2017 5:39:11 PM PST by Hieronymus (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton)
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To: marshmallow

I had already figured this out and did not need popes or bishops to clarify it. On the other hand, when God sees that someone has so embraced their sin that they defy correction (think: Homosexuals), Paul says that God “gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper” (Rom 1:27) so Jesus doesn’t lead us into temptation but God can give them over to depravity if they turn their backs long enough.


23 posted on 12/07/2017 5:47:29 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Let Trump Be Trump. Would you rather have Hillary?)
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To: Hieronymus
Πάτερ ἡμῶν ὁ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς· ἁγιασθήτω τὸ ὄνομά σου· 10 ἐλθέτω ἡ βασιλεία σου· γενηθήτω τὸ θέλημά σου, ὡς ἐν οὐρανῷ καὶ ἐπὶ γῆς· 11 τὸν ἄρτον ἡμῶν τὸν ἐπιούσιον δὸς ἡμῖν σήμερον· 12 καὶ ἄφες ἡμῖν τὰ ὀφειλήματα ἡμῶν, ὡς καὶ ἡμεῖς ἀφήκαμεν τοῖς ὀφειλέταις ἡμῶν· 13 καὶ μὴ εἰσενέγκῃς ἡμᾶς εἰς πειρασμόν, ἀλλὰ ῥῦσαι ἡμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ πονηροῦ. >< 這到底是什麼意思呢
24 posted on 12/07/2017 5:48:23 PM PST by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: Catholic Canadian

Performed by a supersonic scalpel at least .223 inches wide.


25 posted on 12/07/2017 5:51:11 PM PST by VietVet876
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To: Artemis Webb

when is he going to declare himself God ..


26 posted on 12/07/2017 5:51:51 PM PST by aces
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To: VietVet876

Lol


27 posted on 12/07/2017 5:53:08 PM PST by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: Hieronymus

The current version makes sense to me....I see it as asking God to help us...lead us not into temptation...here saying help us not be lead into temptation. This makes sense when we further beg God to “ deliver us from evil”.

It’s no big deal if the whole point is to ask God for help against falling into evil and our mortal weaknesses, ie temptations.


28 posted on 12/07/2017 5:53:34 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (WINNING! !!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Seems like word games.


29 posted on 12/07/2017 5:54:17 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (WINNING! !!)
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To: marshmallow

Didn’t God allow the trials of Job?


30 posted on 12/07/2017 5:55:19 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: OrangeHoof

he leaves us to deal with our decisions as a good Father would..His way is not ours, His vision is forever..When we turn from him we live in our darkness and are tempted through an increasingly depraved mind, not centered on the way of God..like the world today


31 posted on 12/07/2017 5:56:29 PM PST by aces
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

And hardened the heart of the Pharaoh...


32 posted on 12/07/2017 5:57:49 PM PST by Skywise
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To: marshmallow

Has the Pope ever read the Bible?

Luke 4:1-2
1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil.

FYI, Pope, the Spirit is God, who literally led Jesus Himself into temptation.


33 posted on 12/07/2017 6:02:54 PM PST by Disestablishmentarian
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To: marshmallow
The Fathers comment (Lectio 9) …
34 posted on 12/07/2017 6:10:22 PM PST by CMRosary (Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!)
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To: marshmallow

Talk to the guy who said it first, Frankie - need to get His permission to change it.


35 posted on 12/07/2017 6:16:40 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: marshmallow

One of the wording from the Bible says, “Do not put us to the final test”

“But deliver us from the evil one.”


36 posted on 12/07/2017 6:24:36 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: metmom

The Bible has it and it is different from the way it is most commonly said.


37 posted on 12/07/2017 6:25:57 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
I often end with “deliver us from the evil one,” when praying it in English.
38 posted on 12/07/2017 6:27:29 PM PST by CMRosary (Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!)
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To: NorthMountain

Aramaic?


39 posted on 12/07/2017 6:29:02 PM PST by Mercat
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To: CMRosary

deliver us from the evil one.....me too.


40 posted on 12/07/2017 6:30:13 PM PST by JerryBlackwell (some animals are more equal than others)
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