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Strategies for Returning to the [Catholic] Church
CE.com ^ | 01-11-18 | James Day

Posted on 01/11/2018 6:54:52 PM PST by Salvation

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To: metmom

Scripture is clear that Mary and Joseph had normal marital relations and other children as a result.

If not; then THIS is the result:

 
 The chaste maiden; forever Virgin??
 
 
The Roman Catholic Church  has turned the beautiful, blessed lady of Scripture into an asexual, frigid Jewish wife; who withheld her favors from Joseph for no rational reason.
 

1 Corinthians 7:1-40 ESV 

... each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband.

For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does.

Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.

 

 Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; 

but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.


301 posted on 01/14/2018 2:58:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: af_vet_1981
Scripture: Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?


Catholic interpretation: Received ye the Spirit by the Sacraments of the Church or by the hearing of faith?

302 posted on 01/14/2018 3:03:03 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
...do not fear to take Mary as your wife...
303 posted on 01/14/2018 3:04:39 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
As it is written:

... her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly.

But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David...


As it has worked out for CATHOLICS:

... behold, the teaching of the Church appeared to him in a nightmare, saying, “Joseph, son of David, You ain't never gonna really HAVE a wife; but an untouchable image of absolute perfection.

304 posted on 01/14/2018 3:08:40 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
...her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly.

But as he considered these things, behold, a priest of the Church came, saying, “Joseph, son of David, There's no need for a messy and public divorce; we can get this unlawful 'marriage' ANULLED; since it is the teaching of the Church that you guys never really got it on after the one you call Jesus was born.

305 posted on 01/14/2018 3:11:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom; narses
narses; beware the micro-trigger!!


It’s no wonder they throw the charge of *YOPIOS* out so often.

306 posted on 01/14/2018 3:13:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
...the only thing that confuses me is why people who does not believe any thing Jesus said even bothers to claim him as lord...


The only thing that baffles me is why people; who get to ignore SOME things Jesus said; can claim folks who do NOT adhere to what the CHURCH teaches; are heretics!


"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved,

in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood

are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine;

the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation,

and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity

we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

 

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

307 posted on 01/14/2018 3:18:25 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212; ejonesie22
Which is what Rome did. For she has presumed to infallibly declare she is and will be perpetually infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else she accordingly declares.


 HMMMmmm...
This sounds QUITE familiar...
 
 
 
 
 
Where can we find an 'OFFICIAL MORMON' teaching website??
Official sites are sites supported by LDS officials unless said official sites are considered unofficial by said officials.
 
At that point such sites are unofficial unless officially referenced for official purposes by officials who can do so officially.
 
This should not be misconstrued as an indication that official sites can be unofficially recognized as official nor should it be implied that unofficial sites cannot contain official information, but are not officially allowed to be offical despite their official contents due the their unofficialness.
 
Official sites will be official and recognized as official by officials of the LDS unless there is an official reason to mark them as unofficial either temporally or permanently, which would make the official content officially unofficial.
 
This is also not to imply that recognized sites, often used on FR by haters and bigots cannot contain official information, it just means that content, despite its official status, is no longer official and should be consider unofficial despite the same information being official on an official site elsewhere.
 
Even then the officialness my be amended due to the use of the unofficial information which may determine the officialness of anything be it official or unofficial depending on how and where it is used officially or unofficially.
I hope this clear things up for the lurkers out there.
The haters tend to make things complicated and confusing when it is all really quite crystal clear.
--Ejonesie22

308 posted on 01/14/2018 3:21:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom; narses
YOPIOS = Your Own Personal Interpretation of Scripture.

NOW you've done it!



309 posted on 01/14/2018 3:27:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

Yes, I saw that, and I agree with the authors. My grasp on this matter was enhanced by the angle suggested in the last paragraph of the article.


310 posted on 01/14/2018 3:27:12 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Mark17
In fact, I don’t believe He will even ask that.

Well; if Rome did a correct job when compiling the Book; so long ago; then we'll get 'asked' nothing.


Is YOUR name written there???




 

Exodus 32:32-33
 But now, if you will forgive their sin—but if not, please blot me out of your book that you have written.”  But the Lord said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book.
 

Daniel 12:1
 “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.
 
 
 
Philippians 4:3
 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.
 

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
 

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
 
 
 
Revelation 17:8
 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
 
 
 
Revelation 20:11-15
"Then I saw a great White Throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and THE BOOKS WERE OPENED. Another book was opened WHICH IS THE BOOK OF LIFE. The dead were judged according to their works as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to their works.  Then death and Hades were thrown into the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written IN THE BOOK OF LIFE, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
 
Revelation 21:27
Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

311 posted on 01/14/2018 3:32:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

The question is; little man; whether to believe what the CHURCH teaches,
or what you have written here. This discussion is over.

312 posted on 01/14/2018 3:41:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I don’t need a priest to help me interpret scripture.“

313 posted on 01/14/2018 3:43:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imardmd1
These are the twelve he appointed: Simon (to whom he gave the name Peter),

Valid point; but this did NOT occur when it has been alluded to have happened.

314 posted on 01/14/2018 3:47:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums; ravenwolf
FYI...you need to use HTML to separate paragraphs.
 
 
and here is HOW:
 
 
Merely type <P> between the stuff you want separated with a blank line.
Type <BR> to effect just a Carriage Return. <P> Gets you a CR plus a Line Feed.
 

315 posted on 01/14/2018 3:53:29 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf; imardmd1

I’m sure you tried your best with the formatting, but something did get screwed up. Try again, I think there’s some important stuff here.

I was able to read it but with difficulty. I’m going to let this post of yours be what I say on the matter as well.

The main thing I’d say is that no matter what one may say about the issue of “transliteration” vs “translation”, the point remains: “Kephas” (or “Cephas” or however one wishes to write/pronounce it) doesn’t mean “Little Rock” or “Little stone” or “pebble”. At most (for the Protestant position) it means “stone” (but I don’t see any difference between a “stone” and a “rock”).

Regardless “Cephas” doesn’t mean “little stone”, or “pebble” thus providing the proper context to the exchange in Matt 16.

In other words if anyone can show me the phrase “little stone” or the word “pebble” in any respected definition of the word “Cephas” then I’ll think differently.


316 posted on 01/14/2018 4:42:43 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Elsie
Try 175 - 176 for starters...

Ok, since no one replied to them I'll reply to them individually.

317 posted on 01/14/2018 4:43:56 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Elsie
". . . Simon called Peter, . . ." (AV and Darby)

". . . Simon who is called Peter . . ." (DRA and DRB)

σιμωναG4613 N-ASM τονG3588 T-ASM (who) λεγομενονG3004 V-PPP-ASM πετρονG4074 N-ASM (TR with grammar superscripted)

The verb "lego" (= called, named, described as, referred to as) is in the present (continually ongoing) tense, passive (action by others than the subject) voice, and participle (-ing) mode; used as adjectivial singular masculine phrase may equally without argument say "is constantly being referred to as"

The time frame of the "is" includes and is from the vantage point of Levi/Matthew as he writes, Simon still also being alive, and of whom Levi is writing. Simon is still being called Peter, as of the writing. There is nothing here to suggest that "is" refers to the moment Jesus spoke to them, and most certainly not before that moment, or Levi could have used another tense to say "Simon was being referred to as Peter" at or before the time Jesus spoke to them, some time after His forty days of testing in the wilderness.

And don't call up Mark 1:12 to exclude Jesus' invoking the "Peter" concept just after (within 3 to 4 days) after His baptism but before His exit to the wilderness. The adverb translated "immediately" is used profusely by John Mark, 40 times, and can mean a few days or even a week (see verse 28). The timing is context-sensitive, but must agree with other inerrant, infallible Scriptures such as John 1:42, which happened about 2 or 3 days just after Jesus' baptism. Jesus did do the surnaming, as attested by other reference(s).

318 posted on 01/14/2018 4:48:16 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Mark17

Yes it is impossible to read something like that.


319 posted on 01/14/2018 4:51:43 AM PST by ravenwolf (Left lane drivers and tailgaters are the smallest peabrains in the world.)
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To: Luircin
And the author of this piece and the people on this thread are trying to tell us that the RCC won’t even protect children’s bodies, but can definitely be trusted with our eternal souls.

Ouch......

320 posted on 01/14/2018 4:52:59 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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