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Strategies for Returning to the [Catholic] Church
CE.com ^ | 01-11-18 | James Day

Posted on 01/11/2018 6:54:52 PM PST by Salvation

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To: af_vet_1981; Mark17
Mark post 352: I just want to know, how you are going to bluff your way into Heaven?

AFVET post 353: Have an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

At which point you will fail miserably beyond your wildest imaginations.

NOBODY. EVER. had a good and honest heart.

Nor can anyone, having heard the word, keep it.

Fruit? What fruit? What do you consider fruit that will gain you entrance into heaven?

381 posted on 01/14/2018 7:03:25 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom
Worth repeating. The heart is desperately wicked, so anyone who goes around sayiing they can make their heart good by their “fruits” is only lying to themselves. That heart of stone is ONLY ONLY ONLY changed into a heart of flesh, by the born from above experience. Then, and only THEN do good works and fruits start coming out. Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp? I have no problem understanding it, and I believe you understand it as well. 👍
382 posted on 01/14/2018 7:24:02 PM PST by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: Mark17
1 John 1:7-10 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Forgiveness is the ONLY way to get into heaven.

Nobody, nor any part of anyone, can be good enough to be in God's presence.

God's standard is absolute perfection. Be ye holy as God is holy.

No mortal man can attain that ever.

It doesn't say let your good deeds outweigh your bad.

It doesn't say be sincere and have good intentions.

It say to be holy AS GOD IS HOLY.

Nothing else will qualify a person for heaven.

And since everything we say, think, do, and feel is stained with sin, it's all as filthy rags in the sight of God. The best we have to offer Him is polluted by sin and cannot ever be acceptable in His sight.

That's why our good deeds outweighing our bad doesn't cut it. Our good deeds are even truly good.

It's when we recognize our truly helpless state, that we can come to God and throw ourselves on the mercy of the court like this guy

Luke 18:9-14 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’

But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

and find mercy and grace from God.

383 posted on 01/14/2018 7:58:10 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: imardmd1

I don’t know what you are saying.


384 posted on 01/14/2018 8:30:04 PM PST by ravenwolf (Left lane tdrivers and tailgaters are the smallest peabrains in the world.)
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To: Iscool

John 1;42 is where Jesus said that Simon
would be called cephas meaning rock and Paul also
calls Simon Cephas.


385 posted on 01/14/2018 8:56:01 PM PST by ravenwolf (Left lane tdrivers and tailgaters are the smallest peabrains in the world.)
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To: Elsie; All

I am not sure just what this is about, I have admired
and have no doubt that every one knows that Jesus is
the chief corner stone.

So what can I do to make you happy? should I start
cussing Peter and tell you what kind of an idiot he
Was and that he was not even an apostle?

shall I say Mary was nothing but a whore? what is the
problem is it that you guys don’t have the guts to say
what’s on your mind so you want me to say it for you?

Well if I thought that I would probably say it ha ha.


386 posted on 01/14/2018 9:13:23 PM PST by ravenwolf (Left lane tdrivers and tailgaters are the smallest peabrains in the world.)
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To: ravenwolf

Not admired, admitted.


387 posted on 01/14/2018 9:17:47 PM PST by ravenwolf (Left lane tdrivers and tailgaters are the smallest peabrains in the world.)
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To: ravenwolf
ravenwolf Post #324: The fact that you see no difference between religion and belief which comes by faith shows that you are talking about yourself. . .
No it is you that does not have the gift of discernment.

imardmd1 Post #346: You need to take another tack, if you want to be heard. And answered.

ravenwolf Post #384: I don’t know what you are saying.

Well, perhaps if you approached the "Kefas" angle at least pretending to be a learner rather than a teacher, and asking what something means, and why, you might fare better. Especially if you hold back on judging the ones who might give you more light than you seem to have.

What do you think about that?

388 posted on 01/14/2018 10:16:25 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: metmom

The biblical view of Mary is that she has been specially set apart by God in the order of grace. Elizabeth, filled with the Holy Spirit, was one of the first to affirm this when she proclaimed Mary’s blessedness upon her visitation:

And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! (Luke 1: 41-42).

One reason that the Virgin Mary is set apart from all other women is because of the weight of her “yes” to God’s plan—and because of God’s “yes” to her. Following her consent to bear the Christ child in her womb, her flesh was united with the body of Christ in the most literal sense. No other woman will ever experience this kind of union with Christ, this mother-with-child communion. Clearly, by this fact alone, Mary is blessed among women.

Steeped in the writings of the early Church Fathers and drawing from their reflections on Mary, the convert Bl. John Henry Newman fittingly called the mother of Jesus “the daughter of Eve unfallen.” Indeed the earliest Church Fathers hinted at Mary’s sinlessness in their writings when they alluded to Mary, implicitly and explicitly, as the second or new Eve. St. Irenaeus, for example, writes in the second century that “the knot of Eve’s disobedience was loosed by the obedience of Mary. What the virgin Eve had bound in unbelief, the Virgin Mary loosed through faith” (Against Heresies 3:22:24).

The later Church Fathers conveyed the blessedness of Mary even more explicitly. Consider the words of St. Ephrem in the fourth century:

You alone and your Mother are more beautiful than any others, for there is no blemish in you nor any stains upon your Mother. Who of my children can compare in beauty to these? (Nisibene Hymns 27:8).

Even Martin Luther believed that Mary had received special graces from God, professing in a 1527 sermon:

It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary’s soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God’s gifts, receiving a pure soul (On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God).

Of course, this recognition began with the biblically unique greeting of the angel Gabriel: “Hail, full of grace” (Luke 1:28). He greeted Mary with a title—and an angel never speaks anything but exactly what God wants him to speak. This explains why Mary in all her humility “was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be” (Luke 1:29).

At the very least we should remember, as St. Ambrose did in his commentary on holy virginity, that Mary’s life “is like a mirror reflecting the face of chastity and the form of virtue.” We have ample reason to believe that Mary was a perfect model of obedience and humility, and so we can do no better than to reflect on her life, though but for the grace of God she would have been conceived in sin and unfit to be Christ’s mother and ours. Nobody has understood our dependence on God’s grace greater than she whose sweet voice proclaimed in the home of Elizabeth:

My soul magnifies the Lord,
and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden.
For behold, henceforth all generations will call me
blessed (Luke 1:47-48).

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/our-mothers-singular-grace


389 posted on 01/14/2018 10:49:10 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: Ken Regis

Your comment: “She sinned. I don’t need to prove that! I don’t need to prove you’ve sinned. God says so.”

So your saying that God allowed His only begotten “sinless” son to be born and raised by a “sinful” Mother?

Even Martin Luther believed that Mary had received special graces from God, professing in a 1527 sermon:

It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary’s soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God’s gifts, receiving a pure soul (On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God).

I see that your lack of knowledge of God allows you to be fooled by your man-made religion.

Hail Mary Full of Grace. The Lord is with you.

The Blessed Mother who is also our spiritual Mother was obedient to the will of God!


390 posted on 01/14/2018 11:09:31 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: metmom

16Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful. James 5

In the narrative that constitutes the first part of the fourth book of the gospel (Mt 13:54–17:27), Jesus is shown preparing for the establishment of his church with its teaching authority that will supplant the blind guidance of the Pharisees (Mt 15:13–14), whose teaching, curiously said to be that of the Sadducees also, is repudiated by Jesus as the norm for his disciples (Mt 16:6, 11–12). The church of Jesus will be built on Peter (Mt 16:18), who will be given authority to bind and loose on earth, an authority whose exercise will be confirmed in heaven (Mt 16:19). The metaphor of binding and loosing has a variety of meanings, among them that of giving authoritative teaching. This promise is made to Peter directly after he has confessed Jesus to be the Messiah, the Son of the living God (Mt 16:16), a confession that he has made as the result of revelation given to him by the heavenly Father (Mt 16:17); Matthew’s ecclesiology is based on his high christology.

Directly after that confession Jesus begins to instruct his disciples about how he must go the way of suffering and death (Mt 16:21). Peter, who has been praised for his confession, protests against this and receives from Jesus the sharpest of rebukes for attempting to deflect Jesus from his God-appointed destiny. The future rock upon whom the church will be built is still a man of “little faith” (see Mt 14:31). Both he and the other disciples must know not only that Jesus will have to suffer and die but that they too will have to follow him on the way of the cross if they are truly to be his disciples (Mt 16:24–25).


391 posted on 01/14/2018 11:35:17 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: metmom; Ken Regis; Luircin
Hey MM, aren’t you glad you no longer belong to a false religion? Saturday, we go see Amir Tsarfati. I have no idea if we will have a chance to speak with him personally, but we will try. Don’t forget, he was also a member of a false religion. 😄😀 I don’t know if he was a Noahdite, but he came to his senses. 👍
392 posted on 01/15/2018 12:17:41 AM PST by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: metmom
Some people unwisely build their theology on a translation instead of what the Greek really says

Genesis 3:

Did GOD really say...?


393 posted on 01/15/2018 3:48:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: af_vet_1981
...then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts...

Call no man father.

394 posted on 01/15/2018 3:49:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone; FourtySeven
... thus assures his Rome's Church, built on Peter, of victory over...
395 posted on 01/15/2018 3:51:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone
Because of the faith he confessed Peter will remain the unshakable rock of the Church...." (emphasis added).

Yeah; sure...



...I don't KNOW the man!!!


396 posted on 01/15/2018 3:53:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone
The pope is saying Mary is the Savior of the human race????

HMMMmmm...

I've seen that idea bandied about; somewhere...

397 posted on 01/15/2018 3:54:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: af_vet_1981
Because the LORD Jesus Christ said it and Luke wrote it down.

Hmmm...

You seem to be a bit; shall we say; selective in what you CHOOSE to obey from the mouth of Jesus:

Call no man father...


398 posted on 01/15/2018 3:59:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
NOBODY. EVER. had a good and honest heart.

Oh!!

Just WHY do you hate the Mother of GOD so???

--Catholic_Wannabe_Dude(Hail Mary)

399 posted on 01/15/2018 4:01:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
John 1;42 is where Jesus said that Simon would be called cephas


42Andrew brought him to Jesus, who looked at him and said, “You are Simon son of John. You will be called Cephas” (which means Peter).
43The next day Jesus decided to set out for Galilee. Finding Philip, He told him, “Follow Me.”

400 posted on 01/15/2018 4:04:08 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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